http://www.activistpost.com/2012/01/game-over-tyranny-revealed.html

http://mycatbirdseat.com/2012/01/linking-911-truth-to-the-israel-palestine-conflict/

http://lonestarwatchdog.blogspot.com/2012/01/tyrants-beware2012-couold-be-year-of.html

""Some of the biggest men in the United States,""[the world]..
...""in the field of commerce and manufacturing,""'security finance law media

""are afraid of somebody,..are afraid of something.""

some all pervasive evasive select elect group

that..""They know that there is a power somewhere,..so organized,
so subtle,..so watchful,..so interlocked,..so pervasive,""

so one eyed..so filled with ego
anger fear and delusion

""that they [know..they]..had better not speak
above their breath..when they speak in condemnation of it." -- Woodrow Wilson""

well times change
http://www.jewwatch.com/

if they plan us to die anyhow
there is nothing to their threats..
their fears..their hates,.,they spin

here as son speaks out
against those against his father
pointing out the one thing they all got in conman[the same fears delusions of grandeur][offerings of service to the multihydra headed beast]

http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=17137

plan b
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/01/ron-paul-911-conspiracy-theories_n_1178492.html

ode to the mouthpieces
http://redressnewsblog.blogspot.com/2012/01/israel-mouthpiece-thanks-jewish-anti.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2QMQi-m63E

http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2004/tle275-20040613-04.html
http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2011/12/lr-editor-quoted-in-philadelphia-weekly.html

the means
http://www.redress.cc/americas/ldavidson20120102

due dilligence
http://whatreallyhappened.com/

Sticks and stones, csteel. Come back when you are ready to debate.

Lego and Yutusu,

My reading includes from the following:
The New Testament, Homer, Herodutus, Thucydides, Plato, Diogenes, Sophocles, Plutarch, Epictetus, Hippocrates, Lucretius, Tacitus, Cicero, Horace , Virgil, Marcus Aurelius, Confucius, Sun Tzu Omar Khayyam, Flavert, Montaigne, Descartes, Pascal, Arouet, Rousseau, de Balzac,Kant, Goethe, Nietzsche, Freud, Kafka, Dante, Cevantes, Mises, Von Hayek, Tolstoy, Cherkov, Lementov, Nilolai Leskov, Gorky, Turgenov, Doestovesky, Gogol, Puskin, St Agustine, St. Thomas Aquinas, Machiavelli, Nicomachus, Aristotle, Archimedes, Copernicus, Bacon, Galileo, Kepler, Leibniz, Newton, Fourier, Faraday, Darwin, Eddison, Russell, Einstein, Aesops, Marx and Engels, Hitler, Lenin, Grimms, The Old Testament, Andersen, Dickens, Enid Blyton, Chaucer, Thomas More, Shakespeare, Milton, Hobbes, Locke, Defoe, Swift, Johnson, Smith, Shaw, Wordsworth, Coleridge, Marlow, Austin, Byron, Mill, Thackeray, Eliot, Joyce, American Historical Documents, Franklin, Washington, Lincoln, Emerson, Thoreau, Melville, Twain, Adams,Bunyan, Holmes, Walton, ... Among many many others.

I guess neither of you can appreciate the knowledge those authors passed on. In fact from the views expressed in your posts neither of you would have an iota of a grasp of the topic of western philosophy, thought or writing let alone it's development.

Lego you're simply wrong in your beliefs and estimation I'm leftist. I'm not; I'm a western liberal democrat... a well read one. I condemn your mysogist and racist attitudes, You need to change them they lead to evil.

Yutusu your jaundiced view of westernism merely reveals you need to read much more widely so as to appreciate the basis of liberalism and of western values ... which are not at all the same as political opinion.

Every time you blokes use anything that is manufactured or seek medical help or follow an education opportunity just appreciate most things stem from the great thinkers and inventors of the great western liberal democratic tradition.

Yutusu have you ever heard of, among others, William Wilberforce and Abraham Lincoln?
They've all acted in the western tradition ... or maybe in the tradition of Christ's New Testament, which helped forge it. Forget your Hebrew bible, Christ superseded it.

And David you haven't responded to my questions.

Dear Imajulianutter,

You are bursting into an open door - I do not make it a secret that I am not keen on Western philosophy. My general impression of it is that it emphasizes society: what should have been but a by-product of life has become the main focus.

I am well aware that with this focus on society and how to "forward" it, the West became very successful and rich materially and even intellectually, to the point of dominating the world. Yet it is spiritually poor.

Life is about one's relationship with God. This is what interests me, not how to get more and more people to get along together with each other. If we get along well with God, we will automatically also get along well with each other (not that it is of any comparable importance).

The need for liberalism would not arise had our natural liberties not been snatched by society in the first place. The intelligent are proud of their ability to fix things - the wise don't break them in the first place.

"Every time you blokes use anything that is manufactured or seek medical help"

- With due respect, that's a call to fear. The western culture is a culture of fear.

What Jesus said is: "“'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind'. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself'".

Healing is from God, or even better - why get sick in the first place? or if we do get sick, why experience it as suffering?
If you base your life on the love of God, what is there to be afraid of?

Yutusu,

You are in denial. I fail to see where I am bursting through anything.

You were terribly unbalanced in your assessment of westernism. You expressed that quite clearly.

I simply showed you there is another overwhelming evidenced view that far outweighs your narrow focus and negativity.

Westerners experienced an enlightening and divided the state from God. The other religions and societies haven't done that and their sole adherence to a belief in God rather than a belief in themselves as well as in a God has resulted in the dysfunctional religion based societies that today seem to be the cause of wars and other evil.

'Every time you blokes use anything that is manufactured or seek medical help or follow an education opportunity just appreciate most things stem from the great thinkers and inventors of the great western liberal democratic tradition.'

That is a fact, it is not, in your saturated negativity, a call to fear, it is a call to embrace a broader world view and acknowledge the great achievements of our society which is based in both reason and logic and a belief in a just God and a unique western fearlessness. Fearlessness in challenging our beliefs and truths and changing them where necessary.

Unlike you we believe we have an influence on our circumstanses and that everything isn't predetermined and dominated by our God.

In response to your slur that the west is spiritless, do I have to list the writing, thought, arts, generous activity and charitable works of the 'souless' west?

You see your very narrow and uneducated view is that spiritualism is found only in God things, my view and that of us westerners is that spiritualism is found not only in God but also in ourselves and our endeavours ... that can sometimes occur despite our God.

Can you quote me from the Judaen book similar views to those you selectively and thoughtlessly cite from Christ?

In particular:
'Love God ... with all your mind'.
Have you thought through what this means? If you had you'd understand how silly your view is.

Oh so that's it. Imajulanutter. Your brain has been corroded by the dibilitating effects of studying for an artz degree. I should have known.

And I denounce your homophobia and anti racism. That leads to evil.