Dear Imajulianutter,

"Can you quote me from the Judaen book similar views"

But why? It is difficult, because the Judean book is much more willful than the new-testament. I can point you, however, to the book of Ecclesiastes, probably the best philosopher to ever live in the West.

'Every time you blokes use anything...'

I acknowledge that it's factually true. What I consider a call to fear is not the statement itself, but the context you wrote it in. What I read between the lines, and please forgive me if I'm wrong, is: "You better embrace the Western achievements, or otherwise when you get sick and suffer in agony, nobody will be able to relieve your pain".

To judge a religion by its functionality is to judge a toothpaste by how well it cleans shoes. Religion is supposed to bring you closer to God, not to give you more control over the world.

"Spiritualism" is a poor choice of word as it usually denotes talking-with-spirits and similar vices: I assume you meant "spirituality". Spirituality is the opposite of materialism. If you endeavor to achieve a material end, then great as your endeavor may be, it is not spiritual.

Re: "Love God ... with all your mind", the English translation into "mind" is indeed poor, as there is no such word in Hebrew. It could have occurred while translating Jesus' words into Greek. The original verse says: "Love thy Lord God with all your heart and all your soul and all your very-ness". Now what is this 'very-ness'? Some translated it as 'might', some as 'fortitude' or even as 'vehemence', but some Jewish commentators said, "that means money - Love God not just in a wishy-washy way, but show it for real, with your pocket".

It is not without exception. There are exceptional individuals (such as Jesus and Diogenes), but the West is generally spiritually poor because it is so busy in its material objectives, looking outside to arrange the social-order and being functional, that no time is left for finding God inside. As Jesus said, "You cannot serve two masters".

Look Lego,

I've no formal tertiary education nor degrees.

I'm probably better read than Herman Goering but just as chaotic, am not homophobic but am similar to all the great thinkers in definately being not racist

I can see you've read nothing and you confirm it by regarding such activity as debilitating... In fact your attitudfe in that regard is just plain stupid.

A racist denouncing anybody for anything is laughable.

If I was you I'd quietly sit down... you are way out of your depth.

Yutusu

"Can you quote me from the Judaen book similar views"

You are using weasel words to avoid answering.
The simple answer is no.

Ecclesiastes was not a Westerner. It is one of those totally pre-destination thoughts expressed in the Hebrew Old Testament.

It's Judean not Western. Basically everything Western rejects Ecclesiates.

Spirituality and materialism can co-exist ... why do you think they cannot? Most of us have a spiritual nature and beliefs and we all aspire to own things. Things tend to go awry when there is no balance between spirituality and materialism. Often as is evidenced in the violence of mid East too much spirituality is the problem.

Religion does not bring you closer to God. Religions are man made. Living according to the word of Christ brings you closer to god.

To emphasise the point what you said was

'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind'.

The meaning of mind is a mute point.

Can you tell me how you love God 'with all your heart'?
Can you tell me how you love God 'with all your soul'?

Quite easy you think. So tell me.

Now tell me how you love God 'with all your mind'?

I'll try to simplify it.

In the west the answer we have arrived at is that we apply those talents gifted to us or developed by us to their utmost. Whether that means deveopment of a cure for disease or a more efficient way of sweeping floors is decided by the capacity of the individual. In our sphere we believe our God assesses a slack medical scientist is of less merit than a super efficient floor sweeper.

That's a westerners view of the meaning of God's/Christs words. Your intrepretation because of you Judean focus is naturally going to be quite different.

Have you read Diogenes? Few think him exceptional, many think him odd.

Most westerners don't think Christ as merely exceptional they see him as Son of God. No doubt a Judean slip on your part.

Hi Imajulianutter, I prefer to be "out of my depth" rather than interupt yourself and yuyu discussing "spiritual" BS. Herman Goering may have reched for his revolver every time he heard the word "culture", I reach for my mouse every time I read the word "spiritual", and go and find another topic.

I look forward to deprograming your culturally conditioned misconceptions at another time, on another topic. Bye.

julian quote...""To emphasise the point..you said was

'Love the Lord*..[your God]..with all your heart""

its been revealed..that love..is better to the 'heart'
than hate..[to love god with your heart][love love love]

""and..with all your soul""

the soul..as sepperate from your spirit
[your life spirit..belongs to god"
your soul body[your astral body]
is formed by your works.

[thus we can sell..'our soul'..[works]..cheaply
but satan..cant take your spirit][that belongs to god]

""and with all your mind'.""

your mind..not your brain
[they arnt the same thing]
if you have a mind to disagree
your works are disagreeable..

if you have the mindset of a slave
or of an owner of slaves..[these are things of the mind]..

not the brain

""The meaning of mind..is a mute point.""

no its key

""how you love God..'with all your heart'?""

be the love..do the loving
use your loving to love

""how you love God..'with all your soul'?""

charity..service of good to his creation

""how you love God..'with all your mind'?""

reject anything
that judges others less than thee
[you love a parent..by trying to love thier child..[as much as they do]

""west..apply those talents..gifted to us..or developed..by us..is decided..by the capacity..of the individual.""

inherantly good..is gifted
vile is devel-opted

""In our sphere..we believe our God assesses""

when of truth is
he doth..no such thing!

""because of your Judean focus..is naturally
going to be..quite different.""

yes...they KNOW..
man is not god

'take no god..before the one true god'
live with it...gnostasize upon it

""Most westerners..think Christ..as Son of God.""

we are ALL..children of the father
sadly many westerners think..*he..*IS god
when by being birthed..he definitivly isnt

GOD HAS NO MOTHER!
no father!

..he is THE..one good grace mercy
light love logic..that sustains all living..[all creation]

god is not the lord
he is god

*satan..is lord..of this realm

No doubt a..[western] davidian slip
on your part...?

http://www.roytov.com/articles/golem.htm

The Iowa caucus results..were tallied in 2004..
by a company that is..
http://wayfaringtraveler.blogspot.com/2012/01/homeless-republic-election-fraud.html

headed..by a man
whose company...was bought
by Elron Electronics,..the Israeli defense firm.

I suspect that it will be the same..this year.
http://www.thejewishweek.com/blogs/political_insider/santorum_there_no_palestine

Don't expect to see any grassroots political activists..doing the tally in Iowa...The Israeli defense establishment takes care of that part of the American.."democratic"..sic..elect-ion pro-cess.
http://www.dailypaul.com/196442/elron-voxeo-the-israeli-defense-firm-that-tallies-the-iowa-caucus

CNN: "What do you mean the numbers don't match? "
http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/143/81800.html?1325687871
CNN: What's the total
for Clinton County, Romney, Santorum, Paul?}

CC: Ohh. Are they correct?
I haven't [doubled or done them].
I added them up.

I ADDED THEM UP, UHH, A COUPLE TIMES.
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/11580
Ohh man.

CC: I show Romney coming up with a total of 437 votes
for Clinton County. Santorum had 354.
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2011/10/mitt-romneys-foreign-policy-advisers.html

CNN: This is what's missing and we need the state's central committiee to clear this up...lol

But, the numbers we're receiving for the state do not match the numbers we just received from the chair-woman, right here in Clinton County.

If these are the final numbers...

CC: What do you mean the numbers don't match?

CNN: Well, I'll explain it.. [Laughter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3TSxm2V8aVQ

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/
http://surferjoe202020.blogspot.com/2012/01/25-predictions-for-2012-2015-plus-five.html

no one is safe
http://www.bushstole04.com/iran/iran_us_satan.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f1vP0XVxDg
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=17172
http://www.theoverthrowshow.com/2012/01/04/shock-audio-iowa-republican-party-data-director-confirms-potential-voter-fraud-in-ron-paul-count/