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Palestine - time to tell the truth : Comments

By David Singer, published 22/12/2011

Newt Gingrich has had the courage to come out and say what few others will: the Palestinian people are an invention.

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Israel is an invented state too, so stop giving us more of your Zionist BS.

David
Posted by VK3AUU, Thursday, 22 December 2011 8:26:35 AM
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A really pathetic article. Indicative of what passes of as 'balance' these days in the media.

Why didn't we get a story about the history of nations using the Palestine story as a starting point?

Some brief points of view on my part...

The Palestinians were forced into becoming a nation as a result of the creation of the modern Israeli state.

The state that wants to call itself Macedonia is another interesting case that bares comparison. The people of this nation were asked/forced to be either Greek, Bulgarian or Serbian, but ultimately chose a unique identity (although I disagree with the name, I can see why they developed a unique national identity).
Posted by Savvas Tzionis, Thursday, 22 December 2011 9:21:47 AM
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David,

This is really a silly position to take - everybody is an invented people, every nation has been invented, pulled together from bits and piece, and mythically united from forever.

China ? Originally the Chins were one group along the middle Huanghe (probably one tribe within the group of tribes along the Huanghe) who gradually defeated and exterminated most of their neighbours. Even so, the China of three hundred years ago (when 'it' was ruled by the Manchus) didn't extend so far south, and certainly didn't include Taiwan.

England ? We used to learn about King Alfred (of one part of 'England') defeating some of the other kingdoms of the island and uniting a part of the south. Even so, until barely five hundred years ago, most of 'England' was in France. Parts of France were in Spain and Germany. Bits of 'Germany' were all over the place.

The United States ? Is Gingrich serious ? 250 years ago, it didn't exist except as a string of colonies on the north American east coast, up to and including British Canada and newly conquered Quebec (which later wanted to join the 13 ex-colonies). Most of the 'United States' then was part of the Spanish and French Empires, all the Gulf coast, right up the Mississippi-Missouri valleys and the west coast. Alaska and Finland were parts of the Russian empire. Norway was part of Sweden's.

India ? Until 1947, when was it ever a single, united country ? When did Jordan become a 'nation' ? Or Libya ? Or Turkey ? Don't mention the old USSR. How long has Spain been just Spain, and not half of Europe under the Bourbons ?

And so on. The modern world is made up of countries which have all been invented, mostly over the last 200 years. Palestine and Israel are not that different. Get over it.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Thursday, 22 December 2011 9:57:05 AM
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More bible inspired drivelling rot. Not a mention of the thousands of people driven from their homes and land by the American backed Zionist movement and made virtual prisoners - nor a mention of the clear archaeological evidence that the exodus and the eventual arrival at the 'promised land' is nothing but myth. The bible inspired banality of the present gamut of republican candidates is frightening indeed.
Posted by GYM-FISH, Thursday, 22 December 2011 10:06:38 AM
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David

It seems, because of how you upset people in here, that like Israel, you are eventualy destined to be friendless.

How are those stone throwing Palestinian boys, David, are they still being handcuffed and shackled for their appearances before those Israeli Military star chambers?

Why are you writing in support of the idiots who want the Israeli Military to shoot them?

Why are you as a lawyer still writing articles supporting a government and people who champion such an unjust system?
Posted by imajulianutter, Thursday, 22 December 2011 11:31:51 AM
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Palestine is simply a name for the region derived from Greek. It was used in the 1921 League of Nations mandate as the name for the region establishing a Jewish state:

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/palmanda.asp

The truth of Israel and Palestine is complicated. Neither exist as a direct result of either the League of Nations or the UN. Israel was simply declared a state and recognised by many countries, and the same has now happened with Palestine. A two state solution has been the consensus to the area (aside from Jordan of course) for much of the past couple of decades and it seems that this seems to be the best option for now.
Posted by machina, Thursday, 22 December 2011 11:39:19 AM
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