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Palestine - time to tell the truth : Comments

By David Singer, published 22/12/2011

Newt Gingrich has had the courage to come out and say what few others will: the Palestinian people are an invention.

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Zionists Funded Both Hitler & Churchill
By: poorrichard
http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2011/12/zionists-funded-both-hitler-churchill.html

When Winston Churchill was visiting Germany, in 1932, Putzi Hanfstaengl tried to arrange a meeting with Hitler.
Hitler apparently declined.

It wouldn't do for two Zionist political actors --future "antagonists" --to be seen rehearsing together
before the show began.

Both Hitler and Churchill were pawns of the Zionist bankers. According to historian Thomas J. O'Keefe, Churchill said in his Memoirs that ex-German Chancellor (1930-1932) Heinrich Brüning revealed the identities of Hitler's backers in a 1937 letter:

http://news.antiwar.com/2011/12/30/mossad-chief-iranian-nuclear-weapon-wouldnt-be-existential-threat/

http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2011/12/imperial-overdrive-red-alert-over-iran.html

http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/28/an-execrable-ancestor/

http://www.jta.org/news/article/2011/12/27/3090919/jewish-conservatives-push-back-against-paul-surge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XKCc5SYCisQ

http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2011/12/how-globalists-have-destroyed-free.html

http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2011/12/is-fabric-of-industrialized-society.html

http://dailybail.com/home/tale-of-the-tarp-two-years-later-how-the-elite-media-perpetu.html

http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=17123
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 1 January 2012 7:38:53 AM
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To David Singer.

The legal profession is not, never has been, nor ever will be, the final arbiter in settling disputes. Or for winning arguments in the court of public opinion.

The trick is, that when the law is against you, you argue morality. When morality is against you, you argue the law.

I think that morality is the better option for formulating arguments, because it is so amorphous. Despite all of the attempts of western leftists to carve the principles of morality into stone, there can never be moral absolutes
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 1 January 2012 11:11:46 AM
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'... nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated.

The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence, frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations, has been the victim. '

David Singer while cheering for Newt and his divergence from the historical US political tenets would encourage us to detest the US politician who uttered those words.

Wouldn't you David?

Who was the author?

George Washington ... shame David shame. You defile the memory of real Western Liberal Democrates whenever you write in support of the racist, totalitarian, land stealing, and totally unjust regime that pretends democracy in Israel.
Posted by imajulianutter, Sunday, 1 January 2012 11:11:56 AM
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Hi Yuyutsu.

You seem to have a hang up about Israeli racism, because your seem to have been conditioned to think that racism is utterly wrong, and Israelis would never stoop to that. That is not so. I think that the desire to live amongst ones own people, people who share your own values, attitudes and behaviour, is a cultural universal. It is also racist. But I don’t see anything wrong with it. So to, loyalty to one’s own race and culture could also be construed as racist, but what race, ethnicity or religion is not guilty of that?

The Israelis are racist, just like everyone else. To claim that they are different, just happens to be racist . The principles of racism are rooted in Socialist social theory, which claims that everybody is equal. To claim that one race is more or less racist than another is therefore racism. The Jews are even racist among themselves. The hostility between the secular Jews and the Orthodox Jews is open knowledge; with one side calling the other “Goyum!” and the other sneering back “Frankum!” That sure sounds like racism to me.

The fact the that the Israeli government discriminates against non Jews is self evident. For you to claim different, is to stand in front of an audience and claim that black is white.

But if you claim that Jews are not racist, then that is exactly the position that you must be arguing from. Such a position is insupportable.

You are much better rethinking your attitude to racism and realizing that everybody does it. How many times have you read “anti racists” sneering about the Israelis, the Americans, One Nation supporters, the religious right, or any other group which they despise.? The fact is, that every person on planet earth identifies groups of people which they despise, because those despised groups have attitudes, values and beliefs, which others may consider to be deviant and wrong. And those deviant groups can often be identified by their physical features, their culture, their religion, or even the way they dress.
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 1 January 2012 11:46:55 AM
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Dear Lego,

You can be as racist as you like - I am not a socialist and in normal circumstances that would be none of my business.

But in this case it is, because my family lives in Israel.
You, and Jews in general, can be racist until such point where it puts my family at risk.
Once you cross that red line, then you (and the Jews) become my enemy.

If my family in Israel needs to fight and risk their lives to survive, or risk bombs and missiles day and night due to villains from across the border, then it's just an unavoidable part of life. That's bad enough, but if they need to suffer the same because of your Jewish ideology (such as requiring isolation in order to preserve your culture), then it is unacceptable. The preservation of the Jewish people as such is not worth risking the loss of even one finger by a member of my family: want to risk lives - risk your own, risk your family's, but don't risk mine!

Besides the wars and terrorism, my family does not deserve these gutterful toxic remarks as expressed here and elsewhere by OLO users. They have done nothing to deserve it other than being born where they were. If you believe in those actions of which Israel is accused, then own to it and receive the smear in your own face, not my family's.

BTW, I liked your reply to David:

"The legal profession is not, never has been, nor ever will be, the final arbiter in settling disputes. Or for winning arguments in the court of public opinion."

- Doesn't Israel have enough trouble already receiving such loads of contempt due to the American and Jewish "support", without which very few would notice, care or make a big deal of what it does? Now add to it the "support" of the legal profession (if any body is hated more than the USA and the Jews, it is lawyers!) and what a stew Israel is getting: with such friends, who needs enemies?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 1 January 2012 12:57:50 PM
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Dear Yuyutsu

I'm not Jewish, and I am just as racist as everybody else on planet Earth.

Human beings are tribal and territorial. It is part of the human condition to form self protecting groups, define a territory, and defend that territory from all comers. Any wandering extraterrestrial who examined Earthlings might wonder why a species lacking killing teeth, claws, horns, antlers, spines or armour ever survived to become the top of the food chain. We did it, because we form self protecting groups and fight as together against any threat, either two legged or four legged. The only way that you can prevent racism is to stop being human.

I have read many of your posts and you strike me as an insightful person who writes very well. But you have an unrealistic concept of racism as being totally bad, and the cause of every problem in the world. That is hardly surprising, because I think that today’s education system has conditioned you to think that way, and it has successfully put a mental boundary on your thinking.

The Secular Israelis are smart and disciplined, although they are too tolerant of the Orthodox Jews, who to my mind are religious nut cases and parasites into the bargain, who will eventually cause the collapse of Israel. Both groups are mutually hostile and call each other nasty names, and that is racism. Unless the Secular Israelis get more “racist” and “oppress” the Orthodox Israelis, tell them to get a job, pick up a rifle when needed, and start thinking straight, then your family in Israel is doomed.

Any minority group who’s values, attitudes and behaviours become too much of a threat to the survival of the entire group is in danger of total social exclusion, expulsion, repression, even extermination. When you are in the lifeboat you all pull on the oars together or you get tossed overboard. It has been a long time since western people with our credit cards, social security systems and obesity problems have thought that way. But only fat and contented people can afford to be tolerant.
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 1 January 2012 4:58:44 PM
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