Danielle,

you need to read much much more widely.

Yutusu.

Judaism is mired in the views you express... and Judaism determines Israeli law and the society that exists in Israel... do I have to keep repeating myself?

'"Christ told us we can choose good or evil but if we ask forgiveness for our (evil)sins we will be forgiven and saved."

"Christ told us our actions show our love for God and that serves to honour him."

I agree with both statements, there is no contradiction'

But you claim exercising free will will only makes our (pre-ordained)destiny worse. There is the contradiction.

Dear Imajulianutter,

"Judaism is mired in the views you express... do I have to keep repeating myself?"

Yes, please be specific and give examples if you can. Judaism is one of the most willful movements I'm aware of, it will do anything it can, be it right or wrong, to preserve itself, to improve the destiny of the Jewish nation.

The one thing I have in common with Judaism is that I want the state of Israel to survive - each for our own different reasons. Can you find and specify any other commonalities (I don't mean things that are common to all humans, such as having two arms and two legs)?

"But you claim exercising free will will only makes our (pre-ordained)destiny worse. There is the contradiction."

I didn't say so. What I said is that attempting to willfully exert influence over our own destiny will only make it worse - that's an unwise use of our free will. We are free to do so, but there are consequences.

weasel words ... now where have I said that numerous times before.

this is now tedious. Obviously you're stuck a few thousand years behind the rest of us westeners and are unable to open your mind and accept others are different from you and that their beliefs differ fundamentally from yours.

ima/quote..""But you claim..exercising free will
will only makes our (pre-ordained)destiny worse...There is the contradiction.""

i use the predestination intro..to expand on this concept
when we get to a destin-nation..we arrive at a predetermined..DESTINATION...

[no more *path
[no more*way ..no more tao*

we have arrived AT OUR DESTINation
we WILL all arrive
this is preordained..pre-destined

the HOW..or why
of our frely chosen way..of our path
which way..we got TO*..the destin-nation
[or two state pre desti-nation]..isnt as important as getting to it

once we are all there
its fixed

so forget how we got here
were arrived..!

know it
were here
where the living loving gracefull the mercy full is
[our destination lain within us all
all along]

our path to getting there
was as simple as..seeing were all
all-ready..arrived!

welcome home
you are both welcomed and welcommer
hosted beloved precious...[all of you]

peace is here
if we chose to know it so

[appolgies for not recording this mess-age more true
but see..there is nuthin left to do..[except prepare the place for visiters]..as more and more see we are here...home

send all the children....home

Dear Imajulianutter,

I take it that you were unable to do your homework and come back with some similarities between my views and Judaism, yet you repeatedly, irrationally and ridiculously accuse me of belonging to the Jewish persuation, on the sole grounds that I am not a Westerner.

I was born into the Western culture, and even took a fancy to it in my teens, but then I did, with God's grace, discover how hollow it is and grew out of it.

yutusu
really tiresome and your usual old hat criticisms. If you don't see how similar your beliefs are to those that form the basis of Isreali law and society then me showing you won't make the slightest difference.

Especially since your form here has been for you to refuse to recognise those things you don't want to see... as an example and especially the inherent good in freewill and westernism.

Why should I bother? I'd be talking to a brick wall.