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Palestine - time to tell the truth : Comments
By David Singer, published 22/12/2011Newt Gingrich has had the courage to come out and say what few others will: the Palestinian people are an invention.
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Posted by csteele, Monday, 2 January 2012 6:02:29 PM
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Hi csteel
So that you can pass my name on to the Inquisitors in Anti Discrimination Board? And they can show me the instruments of torture so that they can either burn me at the stake or shut me up? You must be kidding csteel. The ultimate test of intellect is to tell the truth, though the heavens may fall. Here in Australia, it is illegal to tell the truth or even debate what is the truth. Debating a position on racism is contrary to the holy writ of multicultulism, which demands that advocating a conrary view and other heretical thoughts be absolutely stamped out. Once upon a time, real intellectuals would never accept such a position. But today, people like yourself just advocate the party line and never question the holy writ. Communist parties around the world once claimed that the concept of class was an illusion, and that everybody was exactly the same. Do you accept that yourself? I advocate that an anti racist ideology which states that people who's physical and mental attributes evolved to conform to wildly different environments must have identical physical and mental talents to be self evident balderdash. I was once an anti racist like yourself. But since the only excuse which the anti racists could submit to explain why some ethnicities and cultures are always a problem was "blame the white guy." That is a racist argument. You can't train me to identify racism and then not see it in the arguments of the so called "anti racists." The lives of great men remind us Not to dip our pens in ink Lest the ADB finds us debating in the clink. Posted by LEGO, Monday, 2 January 2012 7:51:14 PM
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Dear Lego,
Human beings cannot stop being human beings, but we can, because fortunately we are not human beings, never were. Being human is a temporary state: we wear a human body for 70-100 years or so, not before and not after, so exaggerating its significance is unhealthy. The irony is, that we will all stop being human beings anyway - if we don't do it consciously earlier, then once we die. I am not prescribing the repression of instincts, but to rise above them and transcend them. I am also not suggesting that this can be done overnight - it is a long and difficult road, so we take one little step at a time. Meanwhile, I am happy to live with the tension, with the cognitive dissonance, that my ideals and my actual way of life do not match, rather than tricking myself to believe that "Since I do it, it must be right". Yes, I have my version of racism. One day I will be over it, by God's grace. I have argued not once on these pages that both "Israel" and "the Arabs" are not a cohesive single entity, hence as there are more than two, there cannot be a war between the two. There are those tribalist extremists on both sides with a vested interest to portray the situation in this way (as a tribal war for territory), which they do in order to incite their moderates. Unfortunately, you seem to believe them too - and so does the legal mumbo jumbo! No solution can be found so long as the perceived "problem" is not the problem. I wouldn't care less about territory or which 'tribe' will win, except that my family are there and if the Arabs win, they would all be killed. I think that the following article from today's paper, will probably interest you: http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/israel-s-suicidal-left-1.405002 Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 2 January 2012 9:41:44 PM
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Dear LEGO,
*Sigh* Thought not. That was a hell of a lot of words just to say no. What was particularly egregious was your saying "The ultimate test of intellect is to tell the truth, though the heavens may fall." while being so intent on keeping yourself totally out of harm's way, harm that is of course far more imagined than real. You have certainly failed your own test. My mistake, you appear to be little different from your ilk. Pity. Posted by csteele, Monday, 2 January 2012 10:54:27 PM
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Yeah, up yours too, csteel. I think that you will find that demanding someone's identity on this forum is against forum rules. The last time it happened to me, it was done by a very persistent and offensive contributor, so the administrator popped up into the discussion and gave the offending party a rap on the knuckles.
Advocating the idea that races are not equal just happens to be illegal in some states of Australia. But I think that the repression of ideas, especially one which is correct, is outrageous, in what is supposed to be a free country. Especially since I think that the holy writ of racial equality will cause significant damage to the social cohesion and community peace of my country. So, I am sticking my neck right out here, and hoping that the sundry Inquisitorial star chambers now enforcing the new social dogma would not dare to apprehend me, as persecuting members of a debate/opinion site may even be going too far for them. But you can never be too careful. Religious fanatics with absolutist mindsets, who can not even perceive shades of grey, and who have now embraced racial equality as their new absolute truth, can get very annoyed by anyone who dares to claim that the holy scriptures are wanting. Look what happened to Henry Bolt Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 3:37:04 AM
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Dear LEGO,
Nothing was demanded of you my friend, instead you were invited to step away from the ubiquitous label 'cowardly racist'. As much as I abhor the stance taken by the author of this article David Singer does have my respect for putting his name to it. As I said earlier I was interested in species identification. The last few posts were just confirmation. One only has to reflect on those, who for the most part are the Arabs you appear to have such little regard for, in Tahrir Square putting their bodies in very real harms way from bullets, beatings, and torture to see just how hollow your words are. 'Sticking your neck out'? Right. Vanities of vanities. Posted by csteele, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 7:36:37 AM
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Well I will admit you do seem very out and proud about your racism. In the past I have found most racists to be quite cowardly about their views, prepared to shout slurs from the outer but never say it to a footballer's face, or to spray a slogan on a wall at night, or to hurl abuse out a car window.
You may well be of a different breed.
I have always used my real name on OLO since I felt I needed to take responsibility and ownership of my views.
While I understand why some here choose not to I feel someone with your stridency probably needs to step out from the protection of the 'coward's crib' else be justly labelled.
What is your real name LEGO? Furnish that and I for one will be more than happy to rationally address the substance of your argument.