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Palestine - time to tell the truth : Comments

By David Singer, published 22/12/2011

Newt Gingrich has had the courage to come out and say what few others will: the Palestinian people are an invention.

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Dear David Singer,

You wrote "Who are you suggesting raised enough money to buy Obama's policy?"

Pretty well the same people who bought Newt's. To have the Israeli prime minister show such disrespect to Obama during his visit to the White House and Capitol Hill, plus the announcement of fresh settlements when Biden visited Israel, all without consequences, shows just how much Obama is beholden to that particular interest group.

The candidate you should be most worried about is the one least likely to be bought, Ron Paul.

His determinedly isolationist policy will certainly serve to lessen US support for odious regimes including Israel's.

One of his campaign's latest ad which I found quite impressive was this one;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKfuS6gfxPY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

One of its qualities is an expression of empathy for occupied peoples. All this coming from a Republican candidate.

Empathy is ultimately your greatest threat Mr Singer. You have been determined to quell it by delegitimizing the Palestinian people through not mentioning their name, questioning their existence, claiming they are Jordanians etc. However this tactic is fast losing its currency. 

I have no doubt Ron Paul must really be putting the wind up you.
Posted by csteele, Friday, 30 December 2011 10:37:45 AM
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Dear Lego,

No sane person who is not an Islamic fundamentalist would agree to live as a second-class citizen in an Islamic state. No one in their right mind would relinquish control of their homes to others who not only claim that will kill them (or in the least send them away as refugees), but in fact try to do it daily and teach their children the same.

This is why Israel must continue to fight back desperately in any way it can, but that has nothing to do with Judaism or racism, that is just common sense. The Jewish/racist agenda only serves to obscure the obvious and does a great disservice to the people of Israel.

"Israel belongs to the Jews because they are on it, and they have a first rate army which is prepared to defend their territory to the death."

- No. Israel belongs to the ISRAELIS, for that exact reason and logic, not to the Jews. If most Israelis happen to be Jews, that's their private issue.

Your goal of preserving the Jewish people as such is not worth one finger of my family in Israel. They fight for their lives, not for your national-social dreams.

Brahmins are not "Western pseudo intellectuals": they were the preceptors, clergy and spiritual elite of India for thousands of years, way before Judaism was conceived. They deserve respect, not mockery.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 30 December 2011 12:36:53 PM
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#To mac

You may have noticed I base my analysis on statements people make - not speculation.

The PLO claims to be the sole spokesman for the Palestinian Arabs (although one might dispute that where Hamas is concerned). They are both two sides of the same coin seeking Israel's destruction.

Would be nice to hear what the Palestinian Arab on the street thinks. Guess he is too scared to voice an opinion. When you come across one who does - I will pleased to hear his opinion.

#To Lego

I do take the legalistic approach because in the end this is the last resort for settling disputes. It does not always please everyone but it is the best we have for ending deadlock.

#To csteele

I will treat whatever Ron Paul says on its merits - not who he happens to be.

Remember - concentrate on the message - not who just happens to deliver it.

Obviously if it is said by the President it can carry more weight than if uttered by a Presidential candidate.

You still can't comprehend that people like Zuhair Mohsen and the 8th PNC Assembly have exposed the myth of the "Palestinians" long before Newt Gingrich.

It would pay to listen to what the Arabs and Israelis actually say. That is what I do. Try it sometime. It beats uttering generalities and unsubstantiated comments that mean nothing.
Posted by david singer, Saturday, 31 December 2011 11:16:13 AM
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Dear David Singer,

You said; "Obviously if it is said by the President it can carry more weight than if uttered by a Presidential candidate."

Indeed.

I give more weight to the following from President Jimmy Carter than anything that comes from the mouth of Newt Gingrich.

"When Israel does occupy this territory deep within the West Bank, and connects the 200-or-so settlements with each other, with a road, and then prohibits the Palestinians from using that road, or in many cases even crossing the road, this perpetrates even worse instances of apartness, or apartheid, than we witnessed even in South Africa."

As to your quote from Zuhair Mohsen whom you paint quite disingenuously as a spokesperson for the PLO rather he was part of a PanArab faction and certainly playing to a Syrian Baathist drumbeat.

From Wikipedia; "Mohsen essentially followed the line of as-Sa'iqa's Syrian-Baathist ideology (Mohsen himself being as-Sa'iqa's leader under the control of the Ba'athist government of Syria under Syrian leader Hafez al-Assad), which interpreted the Palestinian question through a perspective of pan-Arab nationalism - despite the fact that in some respects this contravened the PLO charter, which affirms the existence of a Palestinian people with national rights, corresponding with this it is noted that hostility existed between the main Fatah faction of the PLO under Yasser Arafat and the Syrian Ba'ath party of Hafez al-Assad (which in turn supported Palestinians like Zuheir Mohsen and the Ba'athist as-Sa'iqa faction of the PLO) on this issue. Mohsen himself was in fact both a leader of the Syrian Ba'ath party controlled as-Sa'iqa faction of the PLO and a Palestinian member of the Syrian Ba'ath party's own National Command in the present day nation of Syria itself."

"The journalist Robert Fisk was to claim that as-Sa'iqa, under Mohsen, was to employ its energies "almost exclusively against their brother Palestinians", stating that in June 1976 he saw "the PLO in open combat within West Beirut against Saiqa, who had attacked Arafat's forces on orders from Damascus."

You can be quite shameless can't you. First Gingrich then this man. Integrity, a simple concept.
Posted by csteele, Saturday, 31 December 2011 2:19:13 PM
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Singers biggest problem is he would not know the truth if he fell over it on a dark night,or broad daylight,he sings from his bosses play sheet,he just a propagandist and should be dismissed as such and ignored.
Posted by John Ryan, Saturday, 31 December 2011 5:56:35 PM
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How Israel
helped Islamist movements..to flourish across the Middle East
http://www.redress.cc/palestine/uavnery20111231

Uri Avnery charts Israel's role in the growth of Islamist movements in the Middle East - Hamas in Palestine, Hizbollah in Lebanon, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and the Shi'i theocracy in Iran.

thats why stuff like this cant work
http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2011/12/palestinians-must-get-their-act-together-in-2012/

happy new year
but what really happend in them past years?

http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2011/12/an-historic-partnership-with-the-devil-an-analysis-by-dr-lawrence-davidson-%E3%80%80/

http://12160.info/video/israel-warmongering-news-analysis-12-28-2011?xg_source=activity

Behind a mysterious December 22 Associated Press story about “finding of fact” by a District judge in Manhattan Friday that Iran assisted al Qaeda in the planning of the 9/11 attacks is a tapestry of recycled fabrications and distortions of fact from a bizarre cast of characters.

http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2011/12/crackpot-anti-islam-activists-serial-fabricators-and-the-tale-of-iran-and-911/
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 1 January 2012 7:27:48 AM
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