...Warwick Marsh simply presents a theory with his article; overall making a lot of sense. Sure, like a rusty trailer, it exhibits a few holes, but I subscribe to the general theme of it. As some posters here attempt to scuttle Marshes attempt to present a moral alternative to the social mess Liberalism has wrought since the reformation of the sixties, and his attempts in the article to direct attention to cause and effect of the decline associated with a loss of traditional Christian values of our own country, I believe he is on a winner.

...Afterall, the choice is simple; social stability or social instability! As suzyonline grinds the edge to another axe from the homosexual closet and attempts to chop down the Christian oak tree, it is hypocrisy to dismiss Marsh as a Christian fundamentalist “nutter” on the strength of this article. A read of Marshes profile on this site attests to his dedication to social contribution: His work in the prison system of Australia alone equips him with experience and insight which back up his theories here, in my view.

dane
Well at least we agree Marsh is drawing a long bow on the Norwegian analogy.

"Feminists should be very happy. Their entire goal was to tear down the 'patriarchal' nuclear family and marriage."

Are you arguing it is the woman's fault if she is abandoned or if she is fleeing domestic violence?

What do you mean by patricarchial family? In my experience the best marriages are those where there is no strong power imbalance and where there is respect and sharing in decisions.

"Why would you get married now ...? Women get the same rights to everything after one year as a de facto anyway so why bother getting married."

Women get 'everything' - really? That is a completely false assertion. Women also contribute financially to the property and to the family, so why should property not be split evenly. Men are also protected in this arrangement - the law is equal except in cases where one parent has the greater custodial burden and in these days of shared parenting that is rarer than in the past.

Despite your views, the marriage industry appears to be booming. More people are opting for marriage than de-facto because people commit to each other out of love not with the purpose of obtaining property.

"So long as men continue to work longer and harder than women and transferring wealth over to them via the tax system than feminists should be happy. They have succeeded."

Women are also working harder and longer as well as juggling work, home and child care as many men are also doing. This is due to a growthist wealth obsessed economy not the fault of women.

Feminist does not = women. Most men I know are feminists - do men wish for the overthrow of themselves. Women are not substandard beings not much better than animals as in some cultures. Women are also human beings with the same rights, abilities and opportunties as men.

Women may choose not to get married as might many men, that is their right and none of our business.

How did you figure that "Anders was abandoned by his father, Jens Breivik"?
Later in the same article we learn that "After his parents' divorced when he was one year old, Anders was then brought back to Oslo with his half-sister and mother..."
It sounds like to me that Anders' mother was responsible for removing his father.
Indeed, please read the essay by Robert Franklin at http://www.fathersandfamilies.org/?p=17932
Please, don't "blame the dad" on this one.

I can assure you Paw that Australians are better off today than they have ever been, and without the help of religeon.

Posted by Kipp, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 7:17:07 PM

Really? On what measure?

As an educator, I am dealing with more police, DoCS workers, counsellors, lawyers, etc than I ever did before and it is only increasing.

Single Mother homes (USA): (cites omitted for brevity)
37.8% of single mothers are divorced, 41% never married, and only 6.5% widows.
“The strongest predictor of whether a person will end up in prison, is that they were raised by a single parent”.
70% of inmates in state juvenile detention centers serving long sentences, were raised by single mothers.
72% of juvenile murderers, and 60% of rapists came from single mother homes.
70% of teen births occur to girls in single mother homes.

70% of drop-outs, and 70% of teen suicides come from single mother homes.
70% of runaways, 70% of juvenile delinquents, and 70% of Child murderers, come from single mother homes.
“Girls raised without fathers are more sexually promiscuous, and more likely to end up divorced.”
“After controlling for single motherhood, the difference between black and white crime rates disappeared.”
63% of all youth suicides,
70% of all teen pregnancies,
71% of all adolescent chemical/substance abusers,
80% of all prison inmates, and
90% of all homeless and runaway children, came from single mother homes.
Children brought up in single mother homes are:
5 times more likely to commit suicide,
9 times more likely to drop out of high school,
10 times more likely to abuse chemical substances,
14 times more likely to commit rape,
20 times more likely to end up in prison,
32 times more likely to run away from home.

Detroit ranks No.1 in unmarried births among the nation's 50 largest cities. Of the 16,729 babies born in Detroit in 1997, seventy-one percent were born to unmarried mothers. This compared with a state average of 33 percent and a 50-city average of 43 percent."

Detroit is the worst offender on our list of America's most dangerous cities, thanks to a staggering rate of 1,220 violent crimes committed per 100,000 "

50% of single mothers are below the poverty line, their children are 6 times more likely to be in poverty than children with married parents.
85% of homeless families are single mother families.
90% of welfare recipients are single mothers

PCLEMSC, great stats there. And I have seen stats here in Australia that are very similar to those you have shown.

I would like to add one more state to that shameful list.

In the US since 1973 (Roe v Wade), the number of defenseless "BABIES" murdered in their mothers wombs, currently stands at: 52,008,665.
Yep, that is over 52 million babies murdered. Unbelievable how this black tragedy can occur and no one says a word about it.

That is genocide!!

But here in Australia 80,000 - 90,000 babies are murdered each year. That equates to roughly one in three babies will be murdered.

And people like to say on this site that here in Australia (and the US), we are better off today than before. I would like them to show how they come to this conclusion and prove to me that they think all this crime, all these families denied fathers, and all these babies being murdered, is in anyway an indication that society is better today than it was 40 years ago.