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Fatherlessness, chaos and the Norwegian killer : Comments
By Warwick Marsh, published 2/8/2011'A community that allows a large number of young men to grow up in broken families...asks for and gets chaos'.
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Posted by vanna, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 8:43:17 PM
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Who could say it better than this guy?
http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2011/s3225800.htm <DET SGT (RET) JOE COFFEY: “Let me tell you something about profilers, absolute BS! There’s never been a crime in this country solved by a profiler. They’re always after the fact people. They’re always super eggheads who think they know all the answers after you catch them. Profilers are full of crap, okay? Make it very clear”.> Posted by Fester, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 8:43:54 PM
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Some of the comments on here leave one speechless.
Gang membership is related to poverty, disenfranchisement and exposure to violence in the home. Nothing to do with single mothers per se. Single motherhood might be more common in certain demographics than others, but that is because there is a higher incarceration of men, domestic violence and all the other pressures of low incomes. I suppose some of these radical masculinists think that it is a woman's place to just put up and shut up when she is being beaten up in front of the children. What child is better off in a two-parent home where there is violence. Marsh's article clearly states that the Norwegian killer's father abandoned the family. Feminism is simply about equality - always has been - it is not about a female conspiracy to take over the world for goodness sake. Or to keep fathers from their children. Those more radical commentators who argue all men are rapists or who push greater benefits for women over men are clearly not feminists but a whole other animal. Please try and maintain some grip on reality. This issue is far too important to serve up in such a biased and bitter angle based on nothing more than a self-serving, selfish and intolerant agenda. Posted by pelican, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 9:13:33 PM
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Vanna.
That's a figure I've seen quoted for Black Americans, not all Americans. The rates of family dysfunction and criminality among Whites,Mestizos and Asians are much, much lower. Google "The Colour Of Crime" Norway isn't America, neither is it Australia. Maybe a more important question might be "Why have the governments of White countries imported a non White underclass?" Actually, forget the racial element for a second, "Why have they imported an underclass at all?" Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 9:35:53 PM
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Jay Of Melbourne,
It is true that various black communities in the US have very low rates of marriage, together with high rates of fatherless children, high rates of crime, high rates of drug abuse, high rates of teenage pregnancy, high rates of school dropouts, high rates of violence etc. Makes one think twice about the feminist dream. Posted by vanna, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 9:42:58 PM
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pelican,
I think the link between this individual case and fatherlessness is a bit difficult to prove but Marsh's basic premise is very true. Statistics are clear that children from single parent families (read: mothers) do worse by pretty much all social indicators. Feminists should be very happy. Their entire goal was to tear down the 'patriarchal' nuclear family and marriage. They have largely succeeded. Why would you get married now when it doesn't mean anything? Women get the same rights to everything after one year as a de facto anyway so why bother getting married. So long as men continue to work longer and harder than women and transferring wealth over to them via the tax system than feminists should be happy. They have succeeded. Posted by dane, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 9:58:11 PM
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This usually comes about from very low rates of marriage in various communities (70% to 80% of children in some communities are now born outside of marriage).
I would agree with the comments that feminism has been a major contributor to poverty, fatherless children, alienation of the genders, destruction of family finances and low productivity in the workforce.
I would also add increased costs for everyone, much unhappiness for many, dramatically increased child poverty even in rich countries, a decline in education systems, and of course it has made social science into a complete farce.