It is appallingly bad taste to use other people's pain and anguish to push one's own single-issue-fanatic barrow.

Warwick Marsh hasn't been the first to gleefully latch on to one detail of this tragedy, that touches hundreds of Norwegian families, to promote a dimly-related pet "cause".

And sadly, I doubt he'll be the last.

As human behaviour goes, though, it doesn't get much lower.

I tend to agree, Pericles.

Oh dear, the Women hating Author blames Women again, fancy that. It's not the killers fualt, it's not even runaway Dadddy's fualt no it's his Mum for daring to want to be treated as fully human. Women used to be treated as property and still are in some countries to be subservant to Men. The Author seems to want to return to those days, the list of sources to back up his twisted logic says it all. Christ-stain fundies to the man.

Not even wrong.

Warwick Marsh,

No other hook to hang your coat? Or it is a cassock?

Pip66.

The tragedy is that Lionel Murphy died before being dragged to a Nuremberg court

Warrick is on the money.

This guys actions are directly related to his upbringing. It has been proven that homes where fathers are involved are more stable. This is not to blame the father however - a typical knee jerk reaction when things like this happen is to cast the father as a beast. The facts are the mother took the kids away suddenly from the father and went to another country and attempted to deny him access to them. This is the beginning of sorrows for the killer boy. The family court systems in countries like Norway are very similar to that of Australia, with a culture of bias towards the woman.

In my 5 years working as a family court mediator and counsellor in Australia dealing with hundreds of married couples, the disenfranchisement of men with society and its values in is a very huge theme. Men tend to be at loggerheads with the “system” on a number of fronts. The education system, media, healthcare, the court system both family and criminal, and the church are all areas where average guys feel there is an erosion of their rights and values as men.

Having the stigma that ‘men are the problem’ seems to them an insurmountable obstacle or test they have to pass, all the while not being heard or being able to gain access to things that their counterparts take for granted. Take for example the new Family Violence Amendment Bill before parliament at present, which will encourage perjury, parental alienation and unsubstantiated allegations as legitimate means used to deny a child their right to have contact with their fathers/or "violent" caregiver. This bill has fathers groups and other pro-family organizations up in arms as it reverses the concept that a person is innocent until proven guilty to guilty until proven innocent. A mother only has to mention the word 'violence' which automatically sets off a process of denial of access for months, even years before a father can get through the court system to prove his innocence.

For many dads the reality is that they are not allowed to see their kids because the other party assisted by law sharks have imposed impossible restrictions giving them a take it or leave it scenario. What they don’t tell you when we hear about suicidal dad’s and tragic double homicides is the terrible back story that shows the denial of access and quite often a lone father against a system that assumed his guilt before he even opened his mouth.

Dr Steve Biddulph a campaigner for men and boys and someone who sees this travesty unfolding recently said;

"When Susan Brown declared that "all men are rapists", nobody laughed. In the media and in many discussions, men see themselves portrayed as the worst kind of animals, and many of us wonder if it is true. And for growing boys - ten year-olds gazing at the prospect of their masculinity, or seventeen year-olds standing on the brink of male sexual experience -- a deep ambivalence, bordering on self-loathing is not hard to acquire". – (Turning Boys into Creeps).

Its not the military or the father for that matter that created this killer - it is our own systems in society that have failed boys. If we dont return the balance then this sort of thing will become more prevalent as time goes on and fatherless homes multiply.