Banjo:”I suggest you google Ayaan Hirsi Ali.”

Yep it is on my list of googlising for today. :) I might like her, I like lots of people.

“Here he is suggesting that persons who are anti Islam are racist.”

That’s what I was thinking but still don’t know the word for being anti-particular religion. And all religions have the crazy stuff if you pick through their “books” with the rules in.

Danni:”Every other major religion have those who openly criticise aspects of their "kin", whose practices and attitudes are seen to be misguided, or abhorent. Why are Muslims different?”

They aint.

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2010/08/more_muslims_sp.php

http://worldmuslimcongress.blogspot.com/2009/06/muslims-speak-out-against-harassment-of.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JijeTZjaSws

http://encounteringislam.org/misconceptions#14

http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/811

http://www.newsmax.com/Emerson/muslimsgroundzeromosque/2010/10/04/id/372430

Everything is out there if you want to see it.

R0bert:”I didn't choose the lunch time programs run by christains at the school which were offering lollies and other treats to entice primary age kid's into their club. Nor was I informed that they were operating until my son had already been taking part - nothing like a few treats to get a kid's attention.”

That’s how they used to do it in caravan parks, give kids lollies and tell them about Jesus. Or back in the day when they wouldn’t teach islanders how to read and write unless they accepted God. And lookie it is all still happening.

Grim:”Is your sensitivity for your homeland leading you to attempt to force Kiwi culture onto (in) decent Australians?....”

No, only the indecent ones. It probably was the Irish cause lately I’ve heard reworked trailor trash jokes aimed at Kiwi’s. I had to go look up what a “double-wide” was. I haven’t been called sensitive before, I’m going to go bask in that for awhile and check out the last lot from avasay in my in-box.

Dave Allen was so cool, a drink and a smoke and a joke, great stuff.

Did you catch this one Leap? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhHHlgAG780&feature=related (warning: really really rally bad language) I think Pat is great.

A Kiwi is a nice piece of fruit. Plenty of flesh and a pleasant zing.

Christians do not practice or condone mutilation of any kind.

Plenty of posts identifying Islam as rigid, intolerant, abusive, repressive and unforgiving. Yet we see some Oz female Muslims, with and without requisite head-garb, extolling its virtues. What is the attraction?

Male Muslims I can understand a little - with their broad, if not requisite, domination of their females - though I could not condone or support any form of abuse. Nonetheless, the rigid, intolerant aspects of Islam would for me far outweigh any possible benefit from any apparent aspects of female respect and loyalty. Subservience is something generally to be abhorred in any form. So, again, what is the attraction?

Some here I feel have maligned Rebecca6. She has a valid point of view, regardless of Jewely's references to our inability to integrate ourselves with the established indigenous culture. Irrespective of individual views of Christian teachings it is, and has been, these teachings which have been largely responsible for the tolerant, respectful society we see today in our anglo-saxon and european constituency. If anyone thinks otherwise, then let them identify those other origins - or do they think our values have been acquired through some form of osmosis. As for other religions, it is our fundamental tolerance which has enabled these others to flourish within our predominantly Christian society.

Jewely,

Thank you for the sites.

Actually, I was referring to Muslims in Australia being coy about speaking out about outrageous comments ... Nor indeed do they seem to speak out about issues/practices that mainstream Australians find abhorent in Islam. Yet I am sure many Muslims in Australia also find such abhorent. Until the latter make their voices heard, the image of Islam is going to be grim in this country.

I understand that there are enlightened groups overseas. Indeed some Muslims have had fatwas imposed upon them for speaking out.

Many years ago I lived in Malaya an Islamic country. Islam practiced there was quite different from what we now expect of Islam. Women wore kabyas (a diaphonous slim fitting top) and sarongs, a wisp of lace over their hair. The young women generally wore makeup. They had freedom of movement, indeed men and women danced openly together. Muslims there were tolerant of other cultures and religions.

On the other hand, we have witnessed different Islamic groups murdering each other.

We are aware of the Penal codes in Middle Eastern countries. The Iranian Penal code is absolutely horrific. Little girls of 9 yrs, and boys at puberty can be executed.

@Jewely,
Thankyou for your response,You boxed me straight away when you ask if my 'rant and telling people to chew on it' - means It is my real religious belief popping out.Grow up, you have your right to opinion and so do I.If anything, the full blooded Aussie girl in me, born and bred 6th generation, mother to six little diggers, grandaughter to a real digger was telling you that I don't really care what you think of me but get your facts right first before you have a go at those quietly serving Christians who do no harm, they are not the ones who did the damage yet they are the ones feeding the elderly, giving to the struggling and helping the homeless etc.
Middle Eastern people have been coming here for years with all their different religions as have many other cultures, they are welcome legally - "here's a home, clothes, food, and our free lifestyle, tell us what you think" unfortunately, a few choose to tell us to 'change' and when push comes to shove,well what can I say - try me! from what I see that is the way most Aussies feel.
Also I would like to say to Mohammed Ali, I agree that Australia is not a racist country, we take the mickey out of anyone, even ourselves but it is just for a laugh because we love life.Every now and then we feel a little threatened by the constancy of the media on Muslim issues. I think the fear is that when a whole lot of Muslims get together they become violent, they protest, burn things,they kill each other and call it an honour, they burn their wives, cut their little girls genitals, the insistence to carry on with traditions that are not Australian are not acceptable here. Perhaps more Australian Muslims need to speak out against the extremist in their faith..the problem is that if you do, you are putting your life at risk and therein lies our problems with that religion - not you the people.

Danni:“Actually, I was referring to Muslims in Australia being coy about speaking out about outrageous comments ...”

I’d advise them to shuddup in Aussie, they’ll get slammed here by just about everyone.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/sa-muslim-leader-fears-attacks-20110503-1e60w.html

http://www.explodingmediamyths.org.au/
“Australian Muslims and the Discourse on Terror
As early as 1912 the so called ‘Moslem menace’ was presented as cause for concern and
a looming threat to Australia’s cultural values. (1912). Supported by a history of anxiety
over Australia’s vulnerable borders and the hostile intentions of Asian neighbours, the
construction of Muslims as an antagonistic ‘other’ found fertile soil in Australia’s popular
media. The discursive construction of Muslims and Islam in the Australian media has, for
the most part, focused on Muslims as ‘other’, drawing on nationalist discourses and
cultural understandings of nationhood and national identity (Saxton 2003; Turner 2003).
Muslims are constructed as religious fanatics committed to annihilating liberal, secular
governments and replacing them with anti-modernist regimes (Brasted 2001). Little
consideration is given to the vast differences that exist among Muslims not only in terms
of ethnicity and culture but also in terms of practice.”

Danni:”Muslims there were tolerant of other cultures and religions.”

Funny old world, I lived where they weren’t particularly tolerant of each other or anyone else and still I like the individuals I knew/know. Same with Christians I have known and know. I just want people of faith all practicing different faiths and leaving everyone else alone.

I will go to whichever hell whatever religion wants, just let it be my choice.

Salt what values did Christians invent?

Becca:"Thankyou for your response,You boxed me straight away when you ask if my 'rant and telling people to chew on it' - means It is my real religious belief popping out.Grow up, you have your right to opinion and so do I.”

Never said you didn't. Gawd you’re stroppy.

Becca:”..,they kill each other and call it an honour, they burn their wives, cut their little girls genitals, the insistence to carry on with traditions that are not Australian are not acceptable here.”

Uh huh.

Rebecca6

"Perhaps more Australian Muslims need to speak out against the extremist in their faith..the problem is that if you do, you are putting your life at risk and therein lies our problems with that religion - not you the people."

And this is exactly what Pat Condell is talking about......The Koran has made the extremists, and these stone-aged camel jockeys of death, have held the worlds people at ransom for the last time. I will not have tolerances for what can be proven, as a religious crimes against humanity and its own people , and we know just to well, these people cant be reasoned with, and their beliefs have with-out doubt, have also proven that stone-aged desert people are as primitive as the men that wrote the story-books, which also includes all ancient written religious scriptures.

Prophets and Gods!

Dont you think its time to grow up?

We know all religions were man-made.

Imagine listening to someone how lived 1000's of year age, tell you how to think today....lol......You religious people.....your really something else...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjS0Novt3X4&feature=related

To all religions! Yes yes..and you:)

And if you dont like what Iam saying, why do you come round and use violence on me:) and that will prove it once and for all:)



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