Mohammed Ali,

Oh bother I on rereading discovered an omission,

In the sentence
'And this statement in apparent condescending defence of assumed (Wrongly) labor voting tradespeople seems to me, again if you take such a statement to it's natural logical conclusion, only indicates you, again rather unconsciously, believe such people may indeed be racist but that they haven't exposed themselves or you simply haven't recognised such, or that those labor voting tradespeople are racists but haven't worked for you. It could be simply that because of you anti conservative bias you don't think tradespeople could possibly be liberal voters or therefore racist or anti-muslim.

Altogether I think you'd recognise how you've left me quite confused and totally unsure of your point.

Leap,
Gee, thanks for giving me the opportunity to expand on a couple of things!

It is not so much of loving my country, it is simply that I wish to see Aus as a decent place for our grandchildren to live in. We have always been a multi-racial country, but the polys have done their best, in 35 years, to stuff it by forcing pseudo-multiculturalism on us.

MC has not and will not work, the problems we now have are mainly between the ethnic groups who bring their old hatreds with them. We are a unique culture and it is reasonable to expect those that come to live here, at our behest, to abide by our laws and social standards. The Serbs and Croats have been here for about 3 generations and still fight each other over happenings centuries ago. Now the Sudanese are doing the same as are the Tamils and Sri Lankans.

It is all to do with cultural practices, some of which are handed down from generations. Dispite 16 years of education FGM is on the increase, so must be seen as a failure. Women that were 'done' here as girls are now having their own daughters mutilated. Leap, you may accept that but I don't. It is abhorrent to me that little Aussie girls are held down and pieces of flesh hacked off them. I would stop importing these groups immediately. By the way some maybe muslim and some maybe christian, I don't care.

As with the violence, it is the continued imports that refresh the alien cultural practices.

You seem to mention muslims as if I were singling them out. Croats ans Serbs are both I think and maybe the Sudanese are too. The Sri Lankans and the Tamils maybe Hindus, I am not sure, but i don't care. If they can't or will not accept our standards I don't want them here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA3OzSCdCUk

Banjo......like Chiropodists, your foot is not:) But keep selling:) Iam very proud of you. The religious books, "tells some that can read"..Ay runner, that most can and do practice their religions at home.

No problems with that....and what are we discussing again?

Good night.

LEAP

Hey Jewels, in an attempt to avoid being accused of hijacking this thread, I'll try to respond to your concerns about avasay in a manner appropriate to this conversation.
Is your sensitivity for your homeland leading you to attempt to force Kiwi culture onto (in)decent Australians?
We Aussies were making tasteless Kiwi/sheep jokes long before you arrived on these shores, you know. I think they're very much part of traditional Aussie culture.
Actually, I'm pretty sure that particular piece started as an Irish joke many many years ago, and has only recently been 'retooled'.
In fact, I can easily imagine Dave Allen telling it. For all you children under the age of 55, Dave Allen was a great Irish comedian who always ended his show with the words:
“Thank you for listening. Whatever god you support, may he go with you. Goodnight. Thank you.”
I've just posted another joke more appropriate to this thread:
http://thecomensality.com/avasay/afghanistan/feed

Perhaps Mr. Ali would care to share his views on the vile things done by his prophet against his neighbors. Even a simple reading of Islam's own traditions makes it clear, in chapter after chapter and book after book, that Mohammud attacked, plundered, killed, tortured, enslaved men women and children, raped captives until he conquered all neighbouring tribes - yet he is considered to be a noble example by Muslims. That should tell you all you need to know about Islam.

Perhaps Mr. Ali could share his views on the vile things said about non-Muslims in the Quran. Perhaps he can explain Quran 9:111 to us.

The fact is that until Muslims in Islamic societies change their ways and treat non-Muslims like people I see no reason to believe that Muslims want to live in peace with us. I look at Muslims and I see a people that says one thing and does another. I see a people that are either ignorant of their own writings, or are deceitful. I see a people that cannot be honest about their religion, their dear prophet or their brutal torturing god.

Look at the Muslim world. Do you think that Islam has nothing to do with the disrespect for non-Muslims, women, gays, or general lack of human rights and basic freedoms in those countries? Take a wild guess.

There may be good individual Muslims, but collectively they are a big minus in any society and will cause pain and suffering. It is just a matter of time and numbers.

Leap,
Once again thanks.

I had not seen that particular vid and it was good. straight to the point.

We need far more people like Pat condell and Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

They need medals for having the guts to speak out. I recomend both Pat and Ayaan to all.