Hey Ammo, Yeah I guess I am wondering who translated anti-muslim into racist. Did the survey people write it up as a conclusion or it was reached during the ABC 666 radio interview in Canberra or did the author kind of just throw that word out there.

Might have been a typo Mac. What is the word if you don’t like a particular religion?

I personally agree with no one today, as is my right or I think it is. I support people being able to hate other people for whatever reason – acting on that hate is a whole other thing. Hypocritically I support people also being able to love each other for whatever reason but I’m all good with them acting on it.

I’m all for change and also not changing things that are working. Reducing contempt in another person is interesting – who is Avaan Hirsi Ali and has Runner talked to them?

ayaan hirsi ali is a Somali woman who walked away from islam, has been in politics in the netherlands, which she had to leave due to some immigration issues - but has lived in fear ever since she worked with a film maker in Netherlands (who was murdered by a muslim extremist) for making amovie which quoted the koran and showed video footage .. without seeing it, the muslims were outraged someone used words from the koran and the rest is history.

The video was examples of the word of the koran .. the muslims clearly thought it portrayed them poorly, so condemned her and the filmaker to death .. such is their tolerance.

she was in Melbourne recently for a writers festival I think .. very interesting woman, strong ideas

her biography is called "infidel" and the movie is "submission" and Theo Van Gogh was murdered for making it

I'm not sure runner would agree or disagree with her, she has very strong ideas about islam, having been brought up in that society, even living in saudi for a while .. a guest compere on the ABC in sydney who is usually quite moderate was absolutely poisonous about her when someone asked him his opinion her, it was a very revealing moment actually. he presents as such a moderate muslim .. then has a complete hissy, since she left islam and has dared to criticise it

So he revealed what we all suspect, the moderate muslims are such right up till they revert to form (intolerance). mind you some Christians do that as well, as do sikhs and hindus

The people of Australia have a sovereign right to prevent the entry of members of any religious, political, racial or ethnic group who we have reason to believe will become a threat to this nation’s peace and stability.

The Muslim religion is not just a religion. It is a complete religious, legal and social system all rolled up into one. The most significant written aspect of this “religion”, is its total hostility to non members as expressed by its own Prophet in their own holy books. It is a misogynist religion, which not only endorses the idea that woman are the property of men, it authorizes the use of physical brutality in forcing women to obey men.

The most damning indictment against this “religion” is that it has created societies which are some of the most backward and strife ridden on this planet. And the more Muslim any nation is, the more backward and strife prone it is. As a social system, Islam is an abject failure.

Every nation on this planet which has got significant minorities of Muslims has also got serious cases of terrorism, spiralling crime rates, spiralling welfare bills, demands for separatism, demands for separate laws, and other unwanted serious social problems.

Muslims began immigrating into Australia about 30 years ago, and they are noted for their high rates of welfare dependency and serious criminal behaviour. Far from integrating with multicultural Australia, Muslim majority suburbs are becoming monocultural enclaves as the resident populations of Australians flee their former suburbs in order to get as much distance from Muslims as they can. Applications to councils for the erection of new mosques are always opposed by local residents, fearful that their peaceful suburbs will become the next crime hotspots complete with aggressive and offensive young Muslim gang members, drive by killings, and rampant drug abuse.

The act of creating a country with a border is an act of discrimination. We demand that our elected representatives take note of our desitre to exclude Muslims from immigration to this country, as they represent an unacceptable threat to our safety.

Amicus:“So he revealed what we all suspect, the moderate muslims are such right up till they revert to form (intolerance). mind you some Christians do that as well, as do sikhs and hindus”

Umm... I don’t suspect it. As a non believer in any gods who has hung out with a few different Muslims I’ve had months of listening to Muslim Arabs and British Muslims. No religion has tempted me yet but I didn’t find them any better or worse than other religions. I found the Iraqi Muslims a bit harsher, Saudis I think decided I was unconvertible and not worth the effort anyway but they are awesome and generous hosts. Jordanians – scary. NZ and Indian Hindu’s just go on and on and on. They feed you and lecture you on everything and it is so confusing. Lebanese Christian males are great fun but I found that stuff about women was all going on the same with Italian Catholic males and Christian Australian males. At least none come to your house with pamphlets to bleat at you unsolicited on your doorstep.

So I decided it wasn’t the religions it was which cultures were using them. I’ve yet to hang out with an Aussie Muslim but I’m sure my time will come.

1.41-1.57 billion Muslims and growing faster than the next two
Roman Catholic Church, with 1.166 billion (half the worlds Christians)
1 billion Hindus

Given the numbers if Muslims were all so extreme I think we’d already be dead.

Lego:“We demand that our elected representatives take note of our desitre to exclude Muslims from immigration to this country, as they represent an unacceptable threat to our safety.”

Who’s “we”?

My attitude is if a person who comes here feels more strongly about secular values than religious ones, they'd already be a fairly good candidate to let in.
As there are plenty of moderate and Secular Muslims in Albania, Kosovo, Bosnia, Turkey, Iran (fleeing mind you), Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia, among other countries, this is perfectly fine.

Now, listen carefully anyone reading this, because this point needs to be pointed out.
You do not actually believe there IS such a thing as a moderate Muslim because you never SEE a moderate Muslim- you see plenty of lunatics in robes in the news, but you almost never see any coverage of an actual secular Muslim. You can't tell a fundamentalist or moderate if she wears a Hijab, and if they don't wear the tell-tale garb (most secularists), you wouldn't even realize they WERE Muslim.

Now;
By screening people for religious fundamentalism in general, you have a proper non-discriminatory non-divisive approach that effectively keeps out every person that rejects democratic Western culture for Shariah- and furthermore keeps out any other unstable loony- like Mel Gibson, Fred Phelps and the Pope (sparing Sydney another WYD).

Mohammed, I'm sure you're a really nice person. But that's not the point. You are a really nice person with some ideas from a Bronze Age tribal culture; but that's not the point either, because all of us are that. The point is that by casting your Bronze Age ideas as the commands of a divine and omniscient being, you become immune to reason and logic. That not only makes you dangerous in yourself, it also makes you a willing victim and dupe for any imam or mullah who can cast their vicious and destructive agenda in terms that make you believe it is the will of your God.

Religious believers -- of all kinds -- are dangerous to society in the same way, and for the same reason, that drunk drivers are dangerous to society: because they cannot be trusted to make rational decisions in moments of crisis.