Kudos to Wobbles and of course me ol' mate Jewely; good arguments.
Personally, I'm unfailingly offended at the notion that morality can only be learnt from the Bible. Considering civilised Australians don't even condone Capital Punishment for murder, how can we possibly learn morality by studying a God who will cause idolaters, blasphemers and adulterers to burn in Hell for all eternity?
Christ, we don't even condone water boarding for five minutes.
Find me a God who has a higher moral compass than the average Aussie, and I'll consider worshipping him/her/it.
BTW, my children were of only 2 families in primary school who didn't attend 'SRI'. The reason? They thought the scripture teacher was 'nasty'.
I figured that was a good enough reason to disallow her from teaching my kids her religion.

GRIM

Find me a God who has a higher moral compass than the average Aussie......lol, you'll be looking for a very long time:)

Peace and all that jazz;)

LEAP

The problem with all religions, " these books " that there's two ways of reading them. One is the peaceful way ( which we all enjoy ) and the other is hateful death , and killing of innocent people in the name of god, that no rational human in 21 century can understand.

Now... I would like to thank all Bundaberg Muslims for their joy in the death ( oh the irony ) of Osama bin laden, but that's not good enough!

You are a guess here, like all else.....and your smart enough not to push your weight around, like they do in the UK.


I know you wont like this....but this is how we feel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA3OzSCdCUk

If you wont to play stone-age, you know where is air-port is.

Peace and all that jazz.

LEAP

I was intrigued by the comment "Although this pride takes a hit every now and then due to the negative statements of a few non-Muslims"

I wonder if this guy causes any lack of pride http://muslimvillage.com/forums/topic/62765-full-bred-aussie-with-a-longing-for-sharia-law/

We probably all remember Sheik Hillai and some have read the rant's of Kaiser Trad and his views on the decendants of convicts. The behavior of the gangs of Lebanese muslim youth's in the lead up to the riot at Cronulla has been widely enough publicised that the author should be aware of it.

I've had female friends impacted by lower level but in the same style behaviours by groups of young men who by outward appearances, accent etc appear to be of the same origins.

Unless there is some kind of massive oversight (I've had those when writing) I'd suggest that the excesses of some of his fellow muslims should warrant a mention in the pride taking a hit stakes. Far more than the opinions of non-believers.

If the uncovered meat comments by a man who was at the time portrayed as Australia's senior muslim cleric did not hit the radar nor any of the other grievances which are fairly widely publicised then it is cause for concern.

R0bert

hmmm, after reading this whole article I am left with the conclusion that everyone has an opinion about what they think "Christianity" is, but none of you actually have any idea except that which you perceive in your own opinion. There are no end of references towards "racism" and "religious intolerance from Christians" on here,Well I am a born again Christian, I am not a racist; But I am a culturalist and very proud to be.
I could not care less what country you come from or what colour your skin is, But I do care when you come here and insist that we change. If you love your culture so much, go back. If you are an Australian and choose to be a Muslim then be one but if you want the Muslim laws, go to their countries. Your choice. We - the Australian people are all of immigrant decent (except 100% Aboriginals)and we embrace the freedoms that our forefathers fought for.
There is only one race.. the HUMAN RACE!
We have always celebrated the Christian God in this country and only started questioning when other religions came here and said "you need to change"..WHY? If you Believe in a different God that is your choice but stop knocking this countries foundation.. it is what gave us the freedom the whole world is coming here illegally to get.
The same freedoms that you have grown up with if you were born here, if you don't believe in God- it is that very freedom that says you don't have to. Regardless of what you think, this country WAS founded by Christians, historical fact - Captain James Cook was a Christian, that is our history, that is our heritage - get over it.
Real Christians are NOT violent people; Religious fanatics are.Real Christians are quietly serving and loving and giving to their communities. Chew on that for a while and I am sure none of you will like a word I have said but that is my freedom to voice it.

Grim honey, nice to see you as always. Was wanting to have a word with you about a joke that appeared to come from avasay. Ahh found it: http://thecomensality.com/avasay/oh-yeah/feed

R0bert:”I've had female friends impacted by lower level but in the same style behaviours by groups of young men who by outward appearances, accent etc appear to be of the same origins.”

Yeah me too but watch out for the Aussie “Lads” – wanna be Lebs who everyone else makes fun of.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lad

Becca: “We have always celebrated the Christian God in this country and only started questioning when other religions came here and said "you need to change"..WHY?”

-:Aboriginal religion, like many other religions, is characterised by having a god or gods who created people and the surrounding environment during a particular creation period at the beginning of time. Aboriginal people are very religious and spiritual, but rather than praying to a single god they cannot see, each group generally believes in a number of different deities, whose image is often depicted in some tangible, recognisable form. This form may be that of a particular landscape feature, an image in a rock art shelter, or in a plant or animal form.-:

Why you Christians change that? Shall we go through countries colonised where you messed with their foundations and older religions? Who is telling you that you need to change?

“Real Christians are NOT violent people; Religious fanatics are.Real Christians are quietly serving and loving and giving to their communities. Chew on that for a while and I am sure none of you will like a word I have said...”

Only because it’s probably bollocks depending on how this word “real” is defined and you did just rant and told everyone to chew on it - is that the real Christian popping out to say hello? I do agree that the laws of the land you are in should be followed – not the ones made by religion for religion though. That's just dumb of Christians since all religions can make use of them.