The Five Eyes nations, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the United States, is an intelligence network described (rightly) by China as a “unified effort to push back against China”. But is it unified? What about New Zealand?

New Zealand has come under suspicion since its government offered to ‘mediate’ between Australia and China on the trade problem caused by China. Obviously, it is absurd to think that a member of a group can be an independent arbiter between another member of that group and an enemy of the group.

The latest arrogant absurdity from socialist NZ comes via its Trade Minister, Damien O’Connor, who advises that Australia should show “respect” and show “a little more diplomacy” to the undemocratic, totally disrespectful bully China, so that we would be in a “similar situation” (similar to NZ, sucking up to China for the money, and laundering Chinese goods to send on to Australia). Ardern’s regular habit of nagging Australia on anything and everything is just the tip of the iceberg. New Zealand has allowed China to poke holes in the Five Eyes alliance.

That other bastion of socialism and Five Eyes member, Canada, actually agreed to allow China to practise winter warfare in Canada, until the plan was sprung and the permission withdrawn, and Canada seems to be behaving itself. Now New Zealand has also been revealed as a back stabber. And the CCP rag, the Global Times, has patted them on the head with, “Kiwis make wise moves with China trade deal as Aussies watch”. The “deal” apparently includes staying quiet about the recent arrest of 50 Hong Kong activists, while the other four contries protested.

Good old China is obviously thrilled with its new mate, New Zealand, and claims that mutual trust with New Zealand is being “repeatedly undermined” by Scott Morrison.

I suppose none of this should be too surprising, since NZ has been signed up to the aggressive Belt and Road Initiative as far back as the previous government. PNG, now New Zealand. China’s getting closer.

ttbn,
Do you think that more than two or three Australian politicians actually comprehend the gist of Diplomacy ? Boot licking & selling us out are not Diplomacy !

ttbn,

You left the UK out of the Five eyes.

Maybe it's one of your Technocracies.

I think I found one of your technocracies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bA4cAAawlg

Individual,

I'm not sure what Australian politicians comprehend these days, but diplomacy will not work with China. My concern is with New Zealand's proximity to Australia as it is becomes a vassal state to China.

Mr. Opinion,

I hope you will be lambasting NZ immigrants in the same way you are do Chinese immigrants. And, yes, I did leave out the UK. Sob, sob.

ttbn,

Australia has a Chinese future and NZ might just turn out to be China's back door into Australia.

Ni hao cobber mates! Have a big hangi on me!

Mr. Opinion,

No. Your video has nothing to do with technocracy. I explained what technocracy is a few days ago for all to see.

Your comment on NZ becoming a 'backdoor' for Chinese immigrants to Australia comes at the same time my technocracy source advises on other 'backdoor' matters. The Chinese government has introduced anal swabs for testing for their virus.

"Citizens in China are appalled and grossed out at this new requirement". If you pass the throat and nose swabbing, you get one up the fundamental orifice to be sure. I suppose the compulsory mask will protect the privacy and identity of the testee.

Apparently this new indignity has come about after the revelation of the virus in sewers. They can't match the doings with individuals, so they are checking in advance.

ttbn,

Anyone can give a definition of an imaginary concept like a technocracy.

But you haven't been able to produce any evidence of technocracies having ever existed.

Maybe Disneyland is a technocracy? Is that what you are referring to.

O'connor spoke the truth - here are his words:

"If [Australia] were to follow us and show respect, I guess a little more diplomacy from time to time and be cautious with wording, they too could hopefully be in a similar situation [with China],"

Hopefully for him, not for us. We have no wish to be in New-Zealand's situation, no wish to trade with, show respect or flatter the devil. We have just one relation with that evil regime of China - WAR!

Should we win, we get to keep our land and our freedom; and should we lose, we will gain heaven instead, so in any case we can only win while New-Zealand can only lose.

Yuyutsu,
I suggest you get yourself tested for lead poisoning!
War with China would threaten millions of innocent lives, but would accomplish nothing good that couldn't be far more easily accomplished via peaceful means.

New Zealand, with a population of only 5 million, almost no military or industry, is very vulnerable to China, and its government hates our government. We certainly don't need advice from them.

ttbn,

Please. Can you give me just ONE example of where a technocracy has existed?

That's all I'm asking for, just one example.

This belligerent, sabre-rattling, warmongering by the extreme right in Australia towards China is counter productive. Trade being the chosen weapon of war, blind Australia with its trade war pop gun, opposes the "enemy", China who have a trade war bazooka. A one sided battle if ever there was one. The feeble attempt by the ScumO' glove puppet Simon Birmingham to give the Chinese a real "talking to", failed as China wouldn't take poor Simons repeated calls.

New Zealand, under successive governments, Labour and National, have taken a more independent line with the United States and not wanting to be seen as Australia is, a flunky, ever at the ready to do the bidding of Uncle Sam.

Paul1405,

The China-Australia Free Trade Agreement signed up by Abbott was for a five year term which ended July 2000.

The Chinese are well within their rights to reject further imports from Australia.

But they probably would have continued accepting imports if Soot & Boyz hadn't decided it would be fun and a very Trump-ish thing to do to poke a stick at the angry beast China.

Now we have the situation where Australia wants to sign up to another 5 year C-AFTA but can't because China won't engage peacefully with a country it now sees as an enemy!

And it is all the fault of the Morrison government! They are the ones who got China offside. So let Soot & Boyz fix the problem.

Mr Opinion's 10 point plan for placating the Chinese is still on the table. A little bit of grovelling on one's hands and knees to Xi can't be that bad. Come on Soot, it's all for a good cause.

Mr. Opinion'

Even with all your non-stop ranting about China, you are blind to the fact that China is a prime example of a technocracy. You think technocracy has something to do with technology!

Did you even go to school? All your lies about those degrees are a cover for your lack of education, aren't they. Admit it. Cleanse your soul. You have serious problems. Get help. You won't find it here. Stalking other posters as you do is not a cure for your problems. You are not a well man.

ttbn,

Everyone thinks that the term technocracy has something to do with technology. Techno-logy v Techno-cracy (also Techno-crat). Do you see it?

Why do you call China a technocracy? What makes it a technocracy?

PS You got me ttbn. You're right, Just like you, I don't have four degrees and I have never been to a university. There happy now?

In terms of 5 eyes, NZ is merely an eye-lash - of no real importance. Anyway, there's been rumours aplenty over the past few years that the US and other 5 eyes members have been quietly sidelining NZ intelligence due to their perceived unreliability.

The real problem with 5 eyes and, even more so, with the Quad is the US. We have to remember that the US is now under a president and regime that is variously controlled by or is in thrall to the CCP.

We know from the Hunter Biden revelations that the Biden clan used 'the big guy's' position to profit from and take disguised bribes from the CCP and CCP linked organisations. What we know about this is likely a mere fraction of what the CCP knows.
We also know that the Democratic leadership is also captured by the CCP. Just one example is that the congressional leader in charge of the Trump impeachment was groomed for three years by a Chinese honey-pot spy. We have Democrat leaders who employed Chinese spies for decades. We have Democrat operatives taking secret payments from the CCP.

When Stalin's operatives penetrated the White House, the FBI, the Manhatten Project and the CIA, it was a disaster for the west.

This is orders of magnitude worse than that.

Assume 5 Eyes is dead.
Assume the Quad is dead.
Assume that India and Japan are now working to make their own arrangements.

In 1942 Australia was in dire straits when Singapore. This is now the equivalent of Britain handling over it over and offering no resistance. We are in severe peril and don't know it yet. Taiwan is finding it out as China probes its defences knowing there'll be no serious push back from the Xiden administration.

NZ's surrender to China and Chinese money is a mere pinprick during the death by a thousand cuts.

Thanks, Ttbn.

Misop, I can't say I'm surprised. Work your way up through TAFE course, you might get there.

China and technocracy: are its vast communication and surveillance systems based solely on pigeons and personal oversight ? Or on the most modern forms of cyber-tech ?

Are its armed forces furnished with the latest high-tech weapons, or are they still using bows and arrows and lances, and fighting on horseback ?

China = technocracy - i.e. absolute power through the comprehensive use of the latest technology.

But no doubt you'll find dome pissy defect in that rough definition.

Joe

mhaze,

You are right. NZ is an unimportant: a bit light Kangaroo Island of the bottom of SA. NZ is anti-American and a disgrace to ANZUS.

All of which makes it a danger to Australia because, like PNG it is wonderfully place geographically for China. It is not just Ardern's mouth we have to watch out for.

I wonder if Mr. Opinion is a worried about NZ migrants in Australia as he is about the Chinese ones.

Foul-Mouth,

I think you have seen the movie '1984' a few too many times.

Technocracy is a bullsh!t word invented by some bullsh!t engineer who liked to think of himself as being a social theorist.

If you and ttbn and others of your ilk like using it then go for it. Don't let me stand in your way if it makes you happy thinking you're some sort of sociologist.

Maybe you can be the world's first technosociologist. There happy now.

Misop,

So, you have nothing then ?

Back onto your wall .....

Joe

ttbn,

Personally I think it's too late. Australia has a Chinese future and there's no turning back the tide whether it comes direct from China or via NZ.

Here's Australia's future, lap it up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri4eDdOXd6s

Village Idiot,

So, you're the one waving the Chinese flag from your wall ?

Just remember that quite a few pro-fascist traitors were shot or hanged after the War.

Joe

Dear Aidan,

«War with China would threaten millions of innocent lives, but would accomplish nothing good that couldn't be far more easily accomplished via peaceful means.»

War with China is already a reality. Fortunately for now it is a cold war and while we hope that it stays like this in order to save these millions, Si vis pacem, para bellum!

Peaceful means did not save Tibet.
Peaceful means cannot save Taiwan.
Peaceful means would not save Australia either.

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Dear Paul,

«Trade being the chosen weapon of war»

Only if you take China's recent attack against Australia separately.

Trade was not their chosen weapon against Tibet.
Trade was not their chosen weapon against China's own people, including in Tienanmen square.
Trade was not their chosen weapon against the Uyghur people.
Trade was not their chosen weapon against Hong Kong.
Trade is not their chosen weapon against Japan and Taiwan.
Trade will not remain China's only weapon against Australia for long.

«New Zealand... not wanting to be seen as Australia is, a flunky, ever at the ready to do the bidding of Uncle Sam.»

I am not an Uncle-Sam fan either, but your contempt for Uncle-Sam, rightful as it may be, seems to blind you to the existential danger from China that Australia is now facing. What to do, we might feel disgusted by that Uncle-Sam, but for now, without him and without our own nukes, we would have long been, each Australian of whatever political persuasion (perhaps except this forum's traitor), either China's slaves or dead, nor would this forum be allowed to exist.

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Dear Joe,

«Just remember that quite a few pro-fascist traitors were shot or hanged after the War.»

Excellent response - but traitors do not deserve a response.

The opiniated Hillbilly says: " Australia has a Chinese future and there's no turning back the tide whether it comes direct from China or via NZ."

I'm starting to think that he is a barker for the CCP, conditioning us to think that an 'Asian Australia' is inevitable and we should lie back and accept it. Australia decides who comes here and who leaves. The biggest problems coming from NZ are not Asians but Kiwis themselves, many of whom are sent back to NZ, to much whining from Ardern. Perhaps real threat is really from NZ trying to get rid of their criminals.

Funny how in Mr Opinions video link on Bankstown, not one dog to be seen !

Hi Albie,

Funny, when I was a kid there, when it was mostly paperbark bush, we all had dogs, often more than one. Sometimes when we rode off to school on horseback after the milking, they would follow us, until we pelted them with rocks and they slunk home. Great fun.

Mostly they got skittled on the road - I lost two that way. I haven't been back in nearly seventy years, but I'm betting that it's a bit more built-up, with less room for dogs. Except maybe the Greens' chihuahuas in their baskets.

Do you confuse Chinese with Vietnamese and Thais and Indonesians and Koreans and Japanese too, like our Village Idiot ? He would say, "They all look so much alike, don't they ?"

Lovely kind people in my experience, good workers too, getting on with life and not too attached to any foreign government.

Joe

Albie, an odd comment there, BTW its Koreans who eat dog, Cabramatta is predominantly Vietnamese. The shops in the video showed, appeared to be clean with a good variety of well presented produce at what today would be considered reasonable prices. When we lived in Sydney we preferred the Asian butcher and green grocers to their Aussie competition. The Asian shops were superior on quality and price.

The streets in those burbs were particularly clean and graffiti free, the people seemed ordinary law abiding citizens, what else do you want?

Albie Manton in Darwin,

It's funny you should say that about no dogs in Bankstown because in Sydney on the North Shore which is typical core Sydney there were brush turkeys everywhere - up until recently that is.

Yummy . . . . . . Brush turkey congee.

I've never had it myself but I reckon it must be pretty good.

Mr O,

Albie shopping at his local Asian Emporium in Darwin, just after he finds out they've uped the price for his favourite brand of dog sausages.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgd2EPmB5MU&ab_channel=JackBauer137

Next week I'll bring you the video of Albie when he finds out his local Darwin Macca's joint has stopped serving breakfast. No need to wait for next week, here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eREiQhBDIk&ab_channel=macianG5

Did Foul-Mouth say that the Chinese don't eat dog?

http://www.animalsasia.org/uk/our-work/cat-and-dog-welfare/facts-about-dog-meat-trade.html

Scott Morrison has responded to NZ's gratuitous advice by suggesting that they become more vigilant to the threat from Communist China. All democratic countries need to stand together against China. It is not unnoticed how little NZ spends on defence. With its anti-American attitude, and it seeming contempt for ANZUS, there probably wouldn't be a great rush to help them out in a crisis.

ttbn,

All the core Aussies in Sydney will be over the moon about that news.

It's those Bogan Australian fringe dwellers I'm a bit concerned about.

Dear Ttbn,

Indeed, how sad that the fight against China's was sidelined by attitudes towards America.

China is a monstrous evil danger to any human on earth (including its own population and in the countries it already conquered), regardless even whether the USA ever existed.

Thanks, Yuyutsu.

China is an imperialist power - it has never given up on expanding its empire, despite its feeble disguise as a 'socialist nation'.

Its invasion of Tibet in 1959 is one example, Its aggression against Vietnam, etc., are others. Its treatment of Uighurs, Mongols and other central Asians is stereotypically imperialist.

Joe

The Chinese are parasites that consume everything in their path.

If global warming doesn't finish off life of Earth the Chinese will.

Yuyutsu,

'Monstrous' and 'evil' certainly describe the Chinese Communist Party very well.