Hey Paul1405,

"Did you see the way Trump stood over Dr Anthony Fauci as he backtracked after saying lives could have been saved if the Administration had acted earlier. Trump stood over Fauci like some kind of Hitler."

I didn't see it, but Fauci is a little garden gnome.

Did any of you happen to see the way Fauci gave a little pistol hand gesture towards the reporter that Trump had an heated exchange with about a week or so back?

Why did he do that if they're all not deliberately trying to lead Trump off a cliff?
And it's not the first time Fauci used a crisis to get government money, he did it with Anthrax and Aids too, and he stands to personally profit from this virus from patents.
- He's getting rich of this crisis, and his department is getting cashed up too.

Don't be surprised if there's more viruses released in the coming months.

Yes Armchair I think Trump has woken up to Fauci. Got pretty bad connections through Clintons etc. Also find it interesting that those who push so hard for euthanasia are not willing to let oldies make up their own mind whether they want to risk going for a walk in the park or not. Happy to slaughter the unborn and elderly but then insist they are locked in cages with no say. No wonder the yanks are rioting. Hopefully Australia will open up again before appeasement money runs out or you can be sure their will be trouble here.

Runner,

Speaking of slaughtering the elderly, isn't that one of the likely consequences of Trump's support for the relaxation of movement, his half-wit push for a policy of moving towards herd immunity ? i.e. bugger all those old people who might be infected, they've had their lives, and bugger all those health professionals who will be overwhelmed - and in Trump's own case, of course he imagines that he is already immune thanks to his wealth and general superiority over all others: sooner or later, he will gloat that Boris got the virus but he didn't. Utter turd.

Has the curve flattened yet in the US ? No. So even if it did slowly flatten from now, it will take many weeks, perhaps months, before it is down to manageable levels. In the meantime, death numbers will rise across the country. What's the bet that deaths in the US exceed 100,000 by the first week in November ? And thanks to Drumpf, the daily number of new cases will still be unacceptable even by then ?

Joe

Consider New York State ~15000 deaths, so far, with a population of ~20 million. This is 0.75 deaths per 1000 people.

Herd immunity comes from ~80% infections, i.e. 16 million infections in NYS. Death from infections @ 0.37% applied to a general demographic (see my earlier posts for this figure from a German study) = 59200. This is ~3 deaths per 1000 population, which is four times the current figure (above) so NYS is 25% towards herd immunity, and increasing.

Whether actions, or inactions, ultimately 'cost lives' on the way to a return to normal (no quarantine, no economic hibernation) can only be analyzed when the fat lady has sung. A figure of 3 deaths per 1000 (or update of this with larger sample studies) will become the benchmark. Sweden will compare better than NYS or any other jurisdiction.

Is Australia's (cyclical lockdown, national debt and all that flows from these) a sensible approach to a prospect of 3 deaths per 1000?

your hatred is certainly affecting your judgement Joe. I have no doubt that Trump like every other leader in the world has made mistakes. Don't forget the NY Mayor and Pelosi accusing Trump of racism when he stopped flights from China. They were also happy to encourage hugging the Chinese and encouraging people to join in with hundreds of thousands of others for the Chinese New Year just to go against Trumps advice.

You also have to be blind not to see the power hungry mayors telling people not to go fishing or allow a grandmother hug her grandkids while totally ignoring their own rules. I say let the old people decide themselves if they want to rot on their own in a flat or take the risk of a visit from a daughter or son. Meanwhile while numerous lose their jobs and livelihood just about everyone sucking on the tax payer keep their jobs. Its not as simple as 'Trump is in idiot'. In my opinion he is the best US President I have witnessed in my to many decades. The fact that the socialist and lying liberal left media hate him to such an extent just confirms that. I suspect he cares far more about human life than the baby killing democrats and republicans. I get it. You hate him to. You have every right to choose. Only untwisted history will really determine his performance as far his handling of this crisis. You of all people should know that history these days is written according to a narrative. Look what they have done with Windshuttle and aboriginal history.

Runner,

As an example of Trump's fervent efforts to build friendly relations with neighbouring countries, and at the same time open up parts of the economy AND simultaneously protect citizens, try this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/18/us/deportations-coronavirus-guatemala.html

Yeah, that should do it.

Joe