I wouldn't judge Trump, or any leader, on the basis of deaths per capita at this point in time.

Right now the US is further towards herd immunity than Australia, and will have the same per capita death rate as Australia in the final washup. We'll come out of lockdown in a month then go back in as soon as there is the inevitable uptick in deaths despite social distancing, cleanliness, testing, tracking and quarantining.

I find Trump as amusing and alarming as anyone, but the US health system hasn't been overrun, with enough beds, oxygen and ventilators so far. His sin in the eyes of his opponents, is allowing deaths through not putting 330M people into lockdown to emulate NZ, and not forcing the economy into a coma with welfare, as in Australia. I think most Americans support him in this, at least while the health system copes adequately, but he'll not have much support if it doesn't.

Dear Lucifrase,

What on earth are you talking about?

Most of the US is in lockdown, some part more restrictive than in NZ or here.

The issue is that Trump delayed for over a month on getting with implementing containment strategies and that has caused enormous numbers of unnecessary deaths.

“90 percent of US coronavirus deaths could have been avoided if measures taken just two weeks earlier”
http://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/493128-90-percent-of-coronavirus-deaths-may-have-been

Your pie in the sky predictions are just that. If NZ or Australia strives for virtual eradication we will be able to take the brakes off our internal economy with far more confidence, but we have a winter to get through yet. That will be the real test.

'Right now the US is further towards herd immunity than Australia, and will have the same per capita death rate as Australia in the final washup. '

So right Luciferase. It will be a long time before anyone will be able to be called a winner (if any) in this game. 'Experts' all over the place disagree with each other. Facts will never fit the narrative of the Trump haters. I mean when he achieved record unemployment among the black Americans it was all Obama's doing. You can't ever get a sensible conclusion from those suffering from hatred and Trump derangement syndrome. No good news fits their narrative.

It it still a herd if there is only one donkey left in the herd? That's where The Donald is taking the American herd.

runner, in the critical period between February and mid-March, The Donald totally underestimated the health aspect of the cornavirus. The consequences of The Donald's inaction during that critical period have been catastrophic for the American people. Do you deny that?

SR, the states in the US have make their own moves, it not directed nationally. They make their own moves coming out of it too. In either direction they can do whatever they like with Trump's advice.

Do I see you setting up for the 'seasonal' defense in the event of failure of the test, track, quarantine approach after lockdown is lifted? We'll be told by its fans we just need more testing, and on we'll go to the next cycle of slowing down the inevitable.

'runner, in the critical period between February and mid-March, The Donald totally underestimated the health aspect of the cornavirus. The consequences of The Donald's inaction during that critical period have been catastrophic for the American people. Do you deny that?'

As one of olo' s chief tantrum throwers Paul I have not seen you make one positive comment on Trump in 3 years. Keep twisting facts to fit your narrative. It would not matter if there was no deaths in the US, you would still find fault.