"Consider New York State ~15000 deaths, so far, with a population of ~20 million."

In an interesting exercise, if you treated New York City (ie lower NY State) as a country it would have the highest numbers of tests, infections and deaths per million of all other countries.
Equally, excising the NYC figures from the rest of the US data would have the US drop out of the top 10 countries on any of those parameters.

Remember that the mayor of NYC was still telling people in mid March that it was OK to travel cheek-by-jowl on the subway and even now the subway is being heavily used. But he's a Democrat so....shush!

The fact is that Virginia et al aren't NYC and even though the fascist-lite Democrat leaders of these regions want to impose burdensome restrictions on the serfs of those states, said restrictions are unnecessary.
That the citizenry of those places are now rising up in defiance of their overlords tells you all you need to know about middle America. That they are doing it with the encouragement of Trump tells you all you need to know about their president.

Of course is isn't and won't happen here. We are a different and diffident people who have meekly accepted the withdrawal of a range of civil liberties. Its been disappointing and instructive. At least there seems to be some push-back on the idea of using technology to track our every move, so there's some hope yet. Nonetheless, I wonder just how much of our previous liberty will ever be returned.

Runner,

I've very impressed with how many African countries are handling the Covid-19 threat, given that they would have relatively few physical and professional resources. With 1.4 billion people, four times the population of the US, they have far fewer occurrences and deaths from Corona virus, due to more intelligent leaders.

Meanwhile, in the US, now the world hotbed of disease, more than seven hundred thousand people have tested positive (so God knows how many there really are who are positive), around half of the world's total, and 34,000 have died. And the US Curve hasn't really flattened yet - and with dick-wits wanting to open up the country, we can prophesy an upward continuation of the Curve and runaway increase in the numbers of deaths from here until November.

If I was an African, I wouldn't want to go anywhere near a sh!thole country like the US.

Joe

"59200. This is ~3 deaths per 1000 population, which is four times the current figure (above) so NYS is 25% towards herd immunity" What a fantastic effort by those New Yorker's, good old American know-how, without even trying, agree Luciferase. And should there be no "herd immunity" just a quarter of a million dead, so its better luck next time.

What Comrade Stalin said; "A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a Statistic." Seems to fit in with what you are saying Luciferase.

'f I was an African, I wouldn't want to go anywhere near a sh!thole country like the US. '

you are suffering TRS Joe. I see no Americans lining up to immigrate to Africa. You seem to be losing your marbles

From http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/07/flu-experts-predict-4000-australians-will-die-from-influenza-this-year 3000-4000 die from influenza annually, and that's with a massive immunization program for >65's and uptake by a very large part of the remainder of the population.

Roll this common virus out to 3-5 years, the general cycle for expectation of an individual suffering flu due to it's continuous evolution, and you have up to 20000 deaths of people even in a heavily vaccinated population. Compare this with ~75,000 in one year through CV19, say, for which no vaccine exists. CV19 will be like a 'flu on steroids without a vaccine, but that is in prospect. Also, it's likely CV19 will evolve over 3-5 years like the 'flu, reinfecting a fifth so of the population each year. If a coronavirus vaccine isn't found, there'll be interesting times ahead just on this basis.

It's time to understand what we have here in CV19. Maintaining it's elimination/suppression will require Australia to isolate itself from the world, leading to significant economic and social consequences. We have to bite the bullet and get down the herd immunity pathway, as distasteful as that is, and we should do it intelligently, like the Swedes.

Luciferase, are you volunteering to lead the herd towards that goal of immunity?

Here we go, that's you at the head of herd!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOOs8MaR1YM