Make that 12 year old, under no gun control, old farts will only be allowed to shoot babies when its absolutely justified in "self defence". Issy do you accept that?

Standard SR there.

Completely misunderstands the statistics I offer and, having had it explained, just moves onto the next issue as though his misunderstanding never happened.

So the next issue is numbers around shooters stopped by civilians. So off SR runs....'please Mr Google, I don't want these numbers to be true. Please tell me how to ignore them".

There are all sorts of ways to define 'mass shooting', and by defining it just the right way, you can pretend the numbers here are wrong. Its not 18 or 14 or 2.5, its something different. What are the different numbers? No one says because the fact is that any honest research, even with carefully redefinitions will still find the general thrust of the original research was correct.

Here's another number that will have SR racing to see if Mr Google can help him ignore unwanted facts. 82% of school shooters come from broken families.

To get back to my original point, the number of guns clearly isn't the issue here. As gun numbers go up, homicides go down. There must be other issues causing that. Just refusing to look for the other issues is the opposite of proper research.

I'm still enjoying the way SR is just pretending that Warren doesn't exist and his original gullibility around her is memory-holed. I almost hope she gets the DNC nomination so the fun can continue.

"When some 85 year old, old fart, shoots the 2 year old paperboy dead on the front lawn"

"old farts will only be allowed to shoot babies when its absolutely justified in "self defence""

Just when did Paul go from merely hyperbolic to utterly crazy?

OK Trump he is an issue yes mass murders are not new in America
But never before has a total idiot POTUS named races as rapist drug runners or ordered women born in that country to go back where they came from
IQ is often low in Tramp,s supporters and the shooter are the same
Mass Murders encouraged by a POTUS? you betcha

Paul,

In answer,

"Issy, please explain how YOU would have prevented John Edwards from murdering his two children with a gun?"

I'd have told the Police Commissioner to piss off and stop interfering; how's that sound?

"Support family and home protection and continue to support measures increasing a person’s right to self-defence.... remove the recording of ammunition sales."

That seems OK to me and the recording of ammunition sales is complete stupidity especially when the recording of sales of accelerants, and components of explosives and timing devices is ignored.
Do you not support a person's right to self defence?

The NSW Greens don't, as I have shewn.

What would you say to the following,
a woman farmer out on her property hunting foxes is suddenly charged by a scrub bull that broke through the fence from the adjoining National Park.

According to the Greens NSW, she should not use her firearm in personal protection (self-defence).

"7. That personal protection should never be regarded as a genuine reason for owning, possessing or using a firearm"

Note, "... using a firearm"

http://greens.org.au/nsw/policies/firearms

Dear mhaze,

Firstly the stuff I laid out for you on Warren was comprehensive and factual. The fact you just will not let it go is a very good illustration of your evident frustration in being shown up once again. Mate rhetoric, no matter how often you employ it, doesn't trump facts. Stop being so petulant and just get over it.

And now you are doing it again. I present a well respected researcher who found only one instance of an armed civilian shooting a mass shooter to stop him killing more people and your brain just can't deal with it. Instead you trot out phrases like 'Mr Google' and segue into broken homes.

How about instead you just deal with the facts, accept you were wrong, and present a decent argument with sources. You do know what sources are don't you? They are the things you present to give your assertions validity. If you had done just a modicum of sourcing evidence for what you were putting to me you wouldn't now be standing here without any pants on.

Get over it and come back with something decent for once.