Dear mhaze,

Mate you back again doing dodgy things with figures.

Given Is Mise's figures we have one gun for every 7 Australians. You figures show a rate of 1.25 guns per person in the US. However it isn't just the number it is also the type. Australia doesn't have the proliferation of weapons like the the AR-15 which are a weapon of choice for mass shooters.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/02/14/ar-15-mass-shootings/339519002/

So 'Yep clearly guns are the problem.'

Think with me folks you, yes you, know someone who should never ever own a gun
IF we had America gun laws he/she would have one
If that person lived next door
Look truth remain true John Howard did us proud with his change to gun laws
Not being snide just truth, our village redneck is quite insane
Walks around screaming that we should kill all migrants, every race
And I swear slobbers all over himself constantly, given the chance he would murder many

Bazz wants a reference to members of the gun happy brigade willing to trade lives so they can carry on their perverted pleasure.

The sad story of John Edwards, a father who murdered his two children in Sydney with a licensed hand gun he had been trained in its use at the SSAA operated St Mary's gun club. Other clubs had rejected Edwards for training as being unsound, but not the SSAA operated St Mary's club. I only assume those that trained Edwards were also members of the SSAA. No club, no training, no gun, maybe those two innocent children would be alive today.
To this day there has been no satisfactory explanation from the SSAA as to why they were willing to train Edwards for his gun licence after others had rejected him. Yep, some will jump up and down with... WELL! it was all legal.

Its also a little fraught when you leave others to draw the appropriate conclusions from data when you have people who clearly struggle with numbers like SR (not to mention Mr O) around.

I gave data which compares USA (1994) with USA(2014) and somehow SR thinks I'm fudging comparisons with Australia.

So let me make it clearer for the innumerate. If the per capita number of guns in a particular country goes up but the per capita number of homicides goes down, then clearly there is more to the issue than the proportion of guns in that country. Other factors must have come into play. I don't think that's too hard to follow but...well we are talking SR here.

Here's another set of numbers to screw your mind. In scenarios where the mass shooter is taken out or stopped by police, the average number of deaths is around 14. In scenarios where the mass shooter is taken out or stopped by the public, the average number of deaths is around 2.5

That is, if you're unlucky enough to be involved in a mass shooting, you'd better hope that the citizens around you are armed because that's your best hope of survival. Ever noticed that most attackers prefer to go for locations that are so-called gun-free zones.

Still its good to see you back SR. I was worried that my joke about you trying hard to forget you even knew anyone named Warren had chased you off. Even worse, when I found out that the Dayton attacker was a big Warren fanboy, just like you, and that you were nowhere to be found, I started wondering if there was a link. :)

I'd have to agree with STEELEREDUX on his point of view, with the proliferation of semi-auto (centrefire), military-style rifles, bearing hi-capacity magazines, being readily available in the US.

I'd be thankful if I were in local law-enforcement over there, that none of these 'crazies' had thought of using a slide action, 870 or similar, in 12g — especially those with the extended mags, tubular or box.

Or the newer versions 'Assault styled Shoty', with drum magazines, like the fabled 'Streetsweeper' or the South African 'Striker 12' - both 12g and capable of holding 12 ctg's. in a drum configured Mag. The deaths & injuries would be genuinely horrific in such circumstances.

Paul,

You said,
"... the Australian equivalent of the powerful US pro gun, and politically influential National Rifle Association, the Sporting Shooters' Association of Australia (SSAA) which has almost as many members, per capita, as the American monster organisation..."

The USA has a population of 329,322,131 and the NRA has an estimated 5million members a ratio of 1/65.

Australia has a population of 25,120,102 and the SSAA has a membership of 193,965 (as of last month) a ratio of 1/129.

So the comparison shews that the American figure is virtually two to our one.

Where did you get your figures from?

Regarding John Edwards, he was given a licence by the direct intervention of the Commissioner of Police, did you forget that one small fact (conveniently)?