Paul1405,
You must be residing in a strange neighbourhood indeed if paper boys come around in the middle of the night !

From SR: " I present a well respected researcher who found only one instance of an armed civilian shooting a mass shooter to stop him killing more people and your brain just can't deal with it."

Well I never said, nor did my sources, that the criteria was "shooting a mass shooter". My wording was "taken out or stopped by the public". So misread or utterly fail to comprehend what I said and then declare that I'm wrong to say what I didn't say. And then laughably, declare victory. What a dill.

But we all know that SR has a penchant for misunderstanding the issue and then demanding that you address his misunderstanding.

Anyway, for what its worth....

10/1/1997 – Woodham killed three students before vice principal Joel Myrick apprehended him with a Colt .45 without firing.

4/24/1998 – Wurst killed one student. James Strand lived next door. When he heard the shots he ran over with his 12 gauge shotgun and apprehended the gunman without firing.

1/16/2002 – Peter Odighizuwa...three people were killed before the shooter was apprehended by three students with handguns without firing.

11/5/2009 – Nidal Malik Hasan killed 13 people before he was shot by a Civilian Police officer.

4/22/2012 – Kiarron Parker killed one person before being shot and killed by a member of the congregation who was carrying concealed.

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"Firstly the stuff I laid out for you on Warren was comprehensive and factual."

Well you'd best go and tell her yourself because she thinks otherwise. But then, like you, her views are 'fluid' and being a POC is no longer convenient. She needed to be a POC to get one job and now needs everyone to forget she was a POC in order to get another job. And the usual fanboys are just fine with that.

Paul,

The Greens NSW would also allow security employees to have a firearm:

"15.4. Establish good and genuine reasons for possessing a licence (e.g. persons with an occupational requirement, e.g. primary producers, other rural purposes, security employees and professional shooters for nominated purposes or a member of an approved sports shooting association)"

One may assume that security personnel may face armed aggressors and may have to defend their lives or the lives of others.

It would seem from the Greens,

"7. That personal protection should never be regarded as a genuine reason for owning, possessing or using a firearm"

Why would security personnel have a firearm (allowed by the Greens) if they couldn't use it for personal protection?

To sum up, the Greens should rewrite some of their policies before people start to think that they are lacking in basic comprehension skills or that they are inherently stupid.

Dear mhaze,

Lol.

Wow mate, this was pretty bad even from you.

You wrote;

“My wording was "taken out or stopped by the public". So misread or utterly fail to comprehend what I said and then declare that I'm wrong to say what I didn't say. And then laughably, declare victory. What a dill.”

Nah mate let's see who the real dill is.

Let's check each of the cases you put up that occurred between 2000 and 2012, the period looked at by the expert.

“1/16/2002 – Peter Odighizuwa...three people were killed before the shooter was apprehended by three students with handguns without firing.”

Three students with hand guns? Firstly there were only two students with hand guns and they were both serving police officers who had to go to their cars to retrieve their weapons. The man who actually tackled the gunman was a retired officer and Marine veteran and he was unarmed.

“According to Besen, before Odighizuwa saw Bridges and Gross with their weapons, Odighizuwa set down his gun and raised his arms like he was mocking people. Besen, a Marine veteran and former police officer in Wilmington, North Carolina, engaged in a physical confrontation with Odighizuwa, and knocked him to the ground. Bridges and Gross then arrived with their guns once Odighizuwa was tackled."
Wikipedia

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“11/5/2009 – Nidal Malik Hasan killed 13 people before he was shot by a Civilian Police officer.”

“Department of the Army Civilian Police Sergeant Kimberly D. Munley encountered Hasan exiting the building in pursuit of a wounded soldier. Munley and Hasan exchanged shots; Munley was hit twice, in her thigh and in her knee, knocking her to the ground. In the meantime, Sergeant Mark Todd, also of the DACP, arrived and fired at Hasan, who was hit and felled by shots from Todd. Todd approached Hasan and kicked the pistol out of his hand.”
Wikipedia
You do understand that the term Civilian Police Officer just refers to the fact they are serving on a military base in support of the military police. They are very much police officers not members of the public.

“/22/2012 – Kiarron Parker killed one person before being shot and killed by a member of the congregation who was carrying concealed.”

“An off-duty Denver police officer shot and killed Parker. The officer is the cousin of Pastor DeLono Straham, and nephew of Josephine Echols.”
http://kdvr.com/2012/04/24/police-identify-man-who-shot-killed-pastors-mother-at-church/

So mate you have just managed to completely and utterly sabotage your own argument. That takes some next level dill skills. Well done.

You aren't very good at this are you.

Issy, you fail to explain how guns for self defence works. The fact is, you and those of your ilk would like to see 100% of the population, men women and children, armed at all times with no controls. The use of those weapons would be at the discretion of the holder.

Just as the grubs from the SSAA gun club who trained John Edwards to kill his two children did not care about the consequences of their actions, you don't either.

You prattle on about Greens policy, well I'd have Greens policy any day to the lunatic gun policy of the Shooters and Hooters Party. BTW in my opinion Greens policy does not go far enough.

The first step we need to take is to remove the guns from the community of these so called "sports" shooters, and their thrill seeking mates the "amateur" hunters.

The only persons who should have access to firearms are the police, military and a few well trained professional people. The rank amateurs can't be trusted with so much as a pop gun.

What I would do;

Give a one year amnesty to unauthorised persons to hand in ALL their illegal weapons. That's YOU taken care of!
After the amnesty period, the penalty for possession of any illegal firearm, two to five years jail.
A person illegally dealing in firearms, or allowing for their illegal use such as illegal gun club operators, 5 to 10 years imprisonment.
A criminal using a firearm in the execution of a crime, an additional 5 to 10 years on top of the regulated penalty for the crime.

I put up what I would like to see, How about you doing the same, and stop toeing the line of the NRA.