Foxy,

Been there, read that.

Joe,

Good for a laugh?

Your sense of humour differs greatly from mine.

Margaret Simons in her investigations found that
evidence that tended to support the women's
claims had been lying in archives for decades and
the Royal Commission did not look for it and therefore
did not find it. Evidence the Commission did have was
overlooked and in at least one case was buried. Other
evidence was interpreted with a shocking spin.

Simons tells us that the Commission's supposedly
independent expert witness, a South Australian Museum
anthropologist was at the same time helping counsel for
those opposing the proponent Ngarrindjeri women.
He has since been found by a Federal Court Judge to
have bee the originator of the fabrication theory and
to have influenced the course of the Royal Commission in
a way that lacked professional objectivity.

His colleague and fellow witness, Dr Philip Jones,
has recently been appointed to the panel reviewing
displays at the Australian Museum. Jones's appointment
is not surprising. His close friend and co-collaborator
on the Hindmarsh Island affair,
Christopher Pearson, is on the Museum Council.

Nice work, and obviously you can get it if you know how to
play the game. But it's not good for a laugh.

Shadow Minister,

Not many people would agree with your take on
Bruce Pascoe's book - Dark Emu.

Because -

Almost all the evidence in Dark Emu comes from the
records and diaries of the Australian explorers, pastoralists,
et al. Impeccable sources. He quotes them verbatim.
The book has won numerous
awards and a recently published edition for young people
is now available in all school libraries. The award winning
historian - Bill Gammage's book follows closely the
information provided by Pascoe

Foxy, I'm getting that nauseous feeling just reading your last posting.
It was deja vu.
Been there, read that.
Honestly Foxy, do you subscribe to the sick notion that if you repeat something enough times, that people will just give in and decide to believe you?
All the links, references, peer reviews, impeccable sources and any and all the brilliant people who have to rely on second, third, forth and so on, hand information, and we are supposed to believe them.
Foxy, that's fine, if people want to believe hearsay and anecdotal and alleged reports, they are more than welcome.
Fortunately those of us with a more discerning, pragmatic and objective sense of purpose and conviction, don't.
Have you always believed everything you read, hear and see?
Anyway, I have to go and take something to get rid of this bout of 'Foxynausea'.
My doctor said it is a new disease, only caught on OLO.
He subscribed as medication, to take a 'Block-the-Bull' pill, at least once a day whenever there is a Foxy comment on OLO.
It is regarded as quite a boring thing to experience, and if exposed to it too long, you are likely to fall asleep, then when you wake you realise that nothing constructive was said or passed on as contagion.
So you become immune to the disease.

Foxy,

Interesting phrase: " .... the originator of the fabrication theory ... "

i.e., on the basis of his deep knowledge, he [Phillip Clark] pointed out his suspicions that the whole scheme had been fabricated. As it turned out, he was right. And by the way, he was married to a Ngarrindjeri woman at the time. He had been deeply enmeshed in Ngarrindjeri issues for some decades by then.

When the 'secret business' scam was invented in May, 1994, (do you want names ?
sorry, not interested in legal entanglement] he had already written many articles on the involvement of Aboriginal people in the ecology of the lower Murray and Coorong, as well as many more general articles.

Phillip Jones also had been involved for decades in on-the-ground involvement with Aboriginal people. So you can slag them all you like, their record will always stand.

And quite likely, they both know about tides and river flow, and therefore where river and sea 'meet'.

Joe

Foxy,

Just some advice: when you quote verbatim from web-sites, make sure their facts are up to date:

" .... Dr Philip Jones,
has recently been appointed to the panel reviewing
displays at the Australian Museum. Jones's appointment
is not surprising. His close friend and co-collaborator
on the Hindmarsh Island affair,
Christopher Pearson, is on the Museum Council."

Christopher Pearson died some years ago.

One thing that really turned me off the Secret Business scammers was their vicious attacks on the dissidents. One woman (perhaps Margaret Symons' new 'friend' ? Someone with a reputation for throwing chairs around the room when she didn't get her way. But what's new ?) slagged one of the oldest, Auntie Bertha, as a 'woman of the streets'. Bertha was her mother's sister. So much for family.

Another thing was this half-witted notion that the river mouth looked like a woman's reproductive parts. [Of course, stretch it a bit and every river mouth looks something similar]. I asked a major proponent how would people know this and he replied that the elders could levitate. Oh. right. Of course, how could I overlook that ?

Make it up as you go ....

Joe

One of the collateral consequences of believing the whole secret women's business story is that you have to disbelieve and disregard the views of the so-called dissident women - Dorothy Wilson et al.

Now its no small thing for the aboriginal fetishists to disbelieve and ridicule a black voice, but somehow, on this occasion they managed it. And still do.

In other circumstances, one would be labelled racist to marginalise black voices. But in the case, it seems, its A-OK because....shut up.

Foxy wrote:"Almost all the evidence in Dark Emu comes from the
records and diaries of the Australian explorers, pastoralists,
et al. Impeccable sources. He quotes them verbatim."

That's true. The only problem is that he quotes selectively because his aim isn't to inform but to indoctrinate. That's why I've encouraged Foxy et al to read the actual explorer accounts to see just how much Pascoe distorts. I've given links to Sturt's diaries to facilitate that 'research'.

But alas they remain unread. It seems many are perfectly happy to be misled as long at it confirms their own fantasies.