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The Forum > General Discussion > Proportionally - where does the blame lay.

Proportionally - where does the blame lay.

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Hopefully one day psychologist will be able to get inside the mind of Brendon Tarrant and shed some light on what drove a man of 28 to go to the extreme of committing mass murder. The answer to what motivated Tarrant wont be simple, what led to his radicalisation in the first instance will be extremely complex, there wont be one single factor, it will be an irrational answer with a multitude of different issues and concerns in Tarrant's mind which drove him to his final act. To Tarrant what drove him to this insidious act will be abundantly clear and logical, totally justified. One thing we cannot expect is any kind of remorse from Tarrant for his murderous actions, he may express some regret that he found it "necessary" to do what he did, but there will most likely nothing else.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 6:34:34 AM
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To understand the Muslim mind, you must look at the events in the Dutch city of Utrecht. Three people were killed, and three others seriously wounded in the gun attack. Turkish-born suspect Gokmen Tanis was detained on Monday evening. He was there to honour kill his sister for her infidelity. That in his mind was the will of Allah, that others were killed in the process was also the will of Allah. In Islam he is a hero! If he had been killed in the act he would be a martyr.

The values of Islam contravene our Western Christian values of “Thou shall not kill”. The Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan has called on New Zealand to restore the death penalty for the gunman who killed 50 people at two mosques. You see this is the Muslim method to eradicate opposition as he has done to thousands in Turkey. Turkey's president has issued a warning to anti-Muslim Australians that they will be returned home in body bags. It is acceptable in Islam to kill your political opponents; it is not acceptable in our society to kill your political opponents. You debate their ideas, to quote, the pen is mightier than the sword.
However our kowtowing politicians to Islamic ideology to gain votes, are censuring free speech by closing down those that criticise Islamic ideology. To criticise Islam is now called Hate speech, to criticise Christianity is acceptable practise and purifies debate and behaviour.
Posted by Josephus, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 6:38:20 AM
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Dear Josephus,

I know it's a bit off-topic, but did you seriously mean:

«...our Western Christian values of “Thou shall not kill”»

Have Western Christians not killed millions, especially in wars?
Does the Western Christian nation of the U.S.A not still routinely execute convicted criminals?
Don't Western Christians on average kill more animals for food than others?

"A Sanhedrin that puts a man to death once in seven years is called a murderous one.", http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/15204/how-many-people-were-killed-by-the-sanhedrin-around-the-time-of-paul
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 1:23:34 PM
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“Thou shall not kill”
Yuyutsu,
I don't for one minute believe that was correctly translated.
I think it was "thou shall not murder".
There's even reference to cities of refuge in the old Bible for people who killed rather than murdered.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 2:52:01 PM
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Oh dear oh dear,
I have read through all the posts on this thread having
only just come across it.
No one, searching for the cause for the slaughter not just in NZ but
everywhere else, has mentioned the foundation of it all.

The cause lays with the author of the Koran.
The Koran is fixed and cannot be altered in any way, on pain of death.
The author is Allah and so even suggesting to update it to modern
themes is blasphemy and punishable by death.

All muslims must accept the Koran as is or they will be declared not
to be muslim and possibly apostates. In the west they do not seem to
enforce those laws so rigidly. However countries such as Saudi Arabia
and Iran do exercise the death penalty almost at the drop of a hat.

I have a list of verses that I believe are the source of some of the
troubles between Islam and the rest, not just Christianity.

Not sure where they are hiding, I will put the verses up in another post.
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 3:16:18 PM
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Ahh found it quickly.
Trigger warning Islamaphobic text below

The Koran has many verses that incite the believers to kill nonmuslims.
Many verses are aimed at the Jews. Historical context, many Jewish
villages were in the Arabian Peninsular and Mesopotamia.

· Jews are the greediest of all humankind.
They'd like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell. (2:96)

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then
kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (2:191)

Make war on the infidels living in your neighbourhood. (9:123)

Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or
refuse to pay Jizya tax. (9:29)

Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable. (3:85)

Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticise Islam. (5:33)

Do not hope for peace with the infidels - behead them when you catch them. (47:4)

The unbelievers are stupid. Urge the Muslims to fight them. (8:65)

Terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Koran. (8:12)

Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorise the infidels. (8:60)

Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. (4:89)

If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them.
Against such you are given clear warrant. (4:91)

The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. (4:101)

Allah has cursed the Jews and hardened their hearts.
Nearly all of them are treacherous. (5:12)

Continued
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 3:51:32 PM
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