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Proportionally - where does the blame lay.
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Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 7:00:59 PM
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It is important to note the NZ gunman was not influenced by Right wing social media or commercial media or Pauline Hansen or Anning's presentations. His ideology revealed in his manifesto was influenced by Communist China left wing atheism.
http://vision.org.au/blog/2019/03/19/what-the-chistchurch-gunmans-manifesto-actually-says/?fbclid=IwAR31UkpyKoSCBgJ5PZvwg0DMeEoXo1jSqvD7Sjez_F_6Dcwl8FSTxvFq6UM Paul is barking up the wrong path if he believes he was influenced by right wing ideology Posted by Josephus, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 7:27:55 PM
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Guwd Paul, you really do try hard to be dopey.
My purpose in putting up those verses was to show those have not been aware what is behind many attitudes of muslims. As you probably know a muslim or two, ask them if they consider them to be valid. If he denies them then he is not a muslim. There is an escape clause that he can lie to you if it is to the advantage to Islam. If you cannot answer this sensibly then just leave your head in the sand and do not answer. Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 8:22:44 PM
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Josephus, peddling ten to the dozen fella, trying to deflect the actions of one extreme Islamophobe from the rest of you Islamophobes. You banged on continuously with hate speak against all Muslims, got it all wrong, yet you still try and sanitise your part in the whole grubby mess.
Fess up fella, like a good little christian, and do some penance for your sins. Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 8:28:52 PM
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Philip Jenkins Boston Globe;
"But in terms of ordering violence and bloodshed, any simplistic claim about the superiority of the Bible to the Koran would be wildly wrong. In fact, the Bible overflows with "texts of terror," to borrow a phrase coined by the American theologian Phyllis Trible. The Bible contains far more verses praising or urging bloodshed than does the Koran, and biblical violence is often far more extreme, and marked by more indiscriminate savagery. The Koran often urges believers to fight, yet it also commands that enemies be shown mercy when they surrender. Some frightful portions of the Bible, by contrast, go much further in ordering the total extermination of enemies, of whole families and races - of men, women, and children, and even their livestock, with no quarter granted." Bazz, are all who profess to be Christian in total agreement with every word of the Holy Bible? If not, why not! Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 8:45:16 PM
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Paul you have no idea of progressive Biblical revelation. Mohamed learnt his theology from the Old Testament because he felt as a brother of descendants from Abraham. Israel in the OT was seeking survival in a hostile World. The New Testament is a New covenant, no longer an eye for an eye, which is currently a Muslim value; the NT outlines, pray for your enemy, give a cup of cold water to your enemy, forgive your enemy, show care for your enemy. Which currently Israel and the Christian influenced West do for injured enemy persons they capture as aggressors.
You are deflecting your loss of argument by an attempt to point score from ancient times - fail. Take a look at the plight and behaviour of Christians in Syria, Iraq and Nigeria in the last few years. We do not need to go back to Bible Times, hundreds of thousands of defenceless Christians murdered in the name of Allah as sanctioned by the current standard of the Koran which they believe is infallible. Posted by Josephus, Thursday, 21 March 2019 5:13:04 AM
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Bazz lets be frank, it people like you trying as hard as you can to whip up mass Islamophobia that allows people like Tarrant to justify in their minds the rightfulness of their actions against innocent people. Given another Islamophobe was asking for a percentage of blame to be apportioned (ridiculous), give yourself and the questioner a few percent which you could rightly deserve.