"what DATA did you provide"

You asserted , without evidence or it SEEMS even an attempt to ascertain the facts, that One Nation, The Australian Conservatives and (later) Dutton, had no policy and therefore no interest in the visa overstayers.

The data I provided showed that to be utterly wrong. Why you can't just admit that you made unresearched claims is the only mystery here.

And then as if to compound your errors you go down the path of doctoring the quote about the One Nation policy by excluding the clause making it plain that they're talking about visa overstayers and then assert the policy doesn't make it plain that its about visa overstayers.

I've never understood this willingness of some to beclown themselves in the quest to avoid admitting error. But either way, I'm done with you. Anyone reading the thread will be able to draw their own conclusions about your ethics.

The link between illegal overstayers and organised crime. The Departmental Officer giving evidence before the Senate hearing admitted there were 5170 illegal US citizens running around Australia, 30th June 2017. I do not believe all are fleeing the oppressive Trump regime and seeking asylum in Oz. How many of the illegals are here doing the bidding of US and Australian organised crime gangs.

"Authorities have seized a record haul of 1.7 tonnes of the drug ice, which was bound for Australia. It’s not only the largest ever seizure of methylamphetamine bound for Australia, it’s also a record domestic seizure of the drug in the USA. The consignment has an estimated street value in Australia of $1.29 billion." That is a potential 17 million drug deals on the streets. And who could say how many deaths of Australians that would have led to.

The Australian Federal Police and Victoria Police arrested six people in Victoria and NSW. Two of whom were US nationals residing illegally! OVERSTAYERS. the others were associated with outlawed motor cycle gangs. More arrests are expected.

With billions of dollars involved its little wonder some of our politicians are soft on illegal overstayers. The six arrested are not your Mr Big's who could have some politicians in their pockets.

The balls in your court, mhaze, Harry, etc. As your lovely Pauline would say PLEASE EXPLAIN!

Paul,

This is just getting more stupid. Because 2 visa overstayers were gang members you are now inferring that all overstayers are criminals?

You are well known for fact-free posts, but this one takes the cake.

Paul yet again, for having a opinion other than another raw insult is thrown at you
Yet it strengthens your question at the start of the thread
I see that question as *why are some less concerned by those who arrive by other means*
Not any thing else, we know, all of us, that number IS HIGHER than boat arrivals.
Now yes boat arrivals have a special place in the far right, even middle Australia
You will not like it but enough on all sides demand an end to them, to swing elections
IF rational debate, not heated ill aimed insults is to take place, threads such as this need reading and a deeper consideration
It is my view, only when both sides have put a workable solution together will the false hate be removed from the subject
The next government must continue to stop the boats while finding other country,s to resettle the detainees ASAP

Shadow, scored an own goal with this bit of nonsense;

//while a tiny few overstay, the number is so small as not to create problems//

Importing 1.7 tonnes of the drug Ice, is not a problem for you. How many Australian would die from overdoses with another 17 million drug deals on the streets. Would in your words see it as "so small as not to create problems".

I was surprised at the number of Septic Tanks (5170) given to the Senate as overstayers. After all these people are coming from a rather effluent country in the United States. Certainly not coming from skid row, these people being able to afford expensive air tickets and show Australian authorities their ability to support themselves whilst here. I suspect that more than a few percent, as you and others would have it, of these Americans in particular, and others nationals as well, are overstaying for criminal purposes.

Australia under the Coalition, has gained a reputation among foreign illegal drug suppliers as one; a country where its citizens are cashed up and will pay top dollar for illicit drugs, and two; having a government that is soft on operatives entering the country and "working" with little chance of detection,, often in partnership with well organised local criminals, in the illicit drug trade.

With an armada of ships, costing millions, watching for boats from the north, the back door, the smart criminals are jetting into the south, the front door, at Sydney and Melbourne airports with impunity. These are like a stream of ants entering your house through the front door and heading straight for the honey pot! While what are you doing, watching at the back door, with an expensive can of useless Baygon in your hand!

Some in our political circles have to be suspect, given their soft policy at best, or no policy at worse, very troubling, on illegal overstayers!

Its only the dumb arses with no network in Australia that get caught, and with 1.7 tonnes of Ice to sell, who needs a Medicare card anyway.

With illegal overstayers they have visas and the Border Force has computer records of their entry. It is a matter of tracking them down. I believe many are students who do not consider their overstay of concern because they have been here for some time. They are not coming to the attention of police for criminal acts.

With the proposed Greens and Phelps Bill to bring in people without visas, violates our border protection. They are more concerned about those that are illegally attempting to enter our borders than the native citizens of Australia living homeless. They do not have a love of this country and its security or real medical concerns of citizens. They are self centred morons attempting to break down our borders