Paul has lost the argument as he has had to introduce drugs as his final hammer. Nothing to do with the subject. Paul the chief character came here via the USA as a refugee which you love to house. He was a liar and deceiver as are most of your boat people.

"Paul has lost the argument ..."

Well no, the Black Knight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmInkxbvlCs ) lost. This is several orders of magnitude greater.

So now we have Paul trying to salvage some degree of respect by utterly changing the subject. But in doing so he's totally lost the logic of his original argument.

Previously his argument was that, since those on the right he dislikes are all-in on stopping the boat people, failing to do the same with plane people exposes their hypocrisy. It was a flimsy argument but it had some credence until I showed that his assertions about One Nation etc were baseless.

But now he's saying that we have to be concerned about plane people because they're, in part, drug related. So its no longer a comparison between boat and plane people.

Therefore, if targeting visa overstayers is an issue about drugs, we have to ask what the other parties are doing about them.

In the main, we have to ask Paul why the Greens don't have a policy about targeting visa overstayers. Is it because they are in favour of importing illegal drugs. Why didn't the ALP-Green government move to halt visa overstayers?

By seeking to salvage some self-respect, he's opened up a can of worms that targets his beloved Greens and other lefties. Logic failure again.

Paul certainly has not lost the argument, in fact Paul has won the argument convincingly.

My original contention was that; //Pauline Hanson's One Nation and Cory Bernardi's Australian Conservative parties make great play with policies aimed at stopping the few refugees/asylum seekers arriving in Australian waters by boat.//

I questioned what was driving this pair when there is a far more serious issue which they seem to pay scant regard to.

//There is a much more serious problem of illegal immigration with more than 64,000 people overstaying visas in Australia. Despite this massive number of illegals arriving by air, the above two political parties seem to have no direct policy to combat the most serious of immigration problems.//

The 'Usual Suspect' these apologists for the blowhards and hot heads from One Nation and Australian Conservative parties jumped in claiming this issue of OVERSTAYERS WAS NOT A SERIOUS MATTER at all. One of them even found a few wishy-washy words from One Nation mob that was hardly a concrete policy on the problem of overstayers. They couldn't even find as much as a few words from Australian Conservatives, what so ever!

I then went on to show the clowns that overstayers were very much a serious problem, and a growing problem at that. Major crime is being committed by these people, 1.7 tonnes of ICE, 17 million street drug deals, leading to the deaths of who knows how many Australians.

An desperate attempt by one apologists at deflection onto Labor and The Greens, that ball is out of court.

All I have to say fellas is; Game, Set and Match to Paul1405, Your'e have been done like a dinner!

http://www.smh.com.au/public-service/more-than-64000-people-overstaying-visas-in-australia-20170718-gxddpj.html
ONLY A HANDFUL? much of what is said here is not even near true
Look at the link, see who it is from, then tell me much of what has been said here proves only some are uninterested in truth

Well the thread really hasn't been poor old Paul's finest hour. Apart from revealing himself as:

* Prepared to make unresearched assertions based on his mere desires that something be true

* Prepared to make incorrect assertions about what was actually said in the very same thread as though noone is capable of reading for themselves to see his errors

* Prepared to simply ignore facts if they don't gel with what he wants to be true

* Prone to throwing tantrums when proven wrong

* And after all that he declares that he won the discussion. So he's spectacularly delusional to go with all the rest.

And just for fun, a few more problems for poor old Paul....

He wrote: " these apologists..jumped in claiming this issue of OVERSTAYERS WAS NOT A SERIOUS MATTER at all."
In fact no one made that claim. Shadow did say that the overstayers were less of a problem than the boat people but that's as close as we get to Paul's silly assertion.

He wrote: "desperate attempt by one apologists at deflection onto Labor and The Greens"

Well that was me. But:

* I'm not an apologist for One Nations. Haven't voted for them and don't see any likelihood of it in the future. So not trying to defend them. But I am rather fond of the truth and I was trying to establish that. Paul won't understand that because for him denigrating the opponent is more important than being correct.

* it wasn't a deflection. Paul changed the terms of the topic by introducing the issue of drugs. I was merely following the logic (another term Paul struggles with) of his alteration of the topic.

Finally (and this really gives me a giggle). in addition to checking the platform of the Greens, I also checked the ALP and the Libs, None of them cover the overstayers. So in total contradiction to Paul's orginal made-up hopes, One Nation is the ONLY party with a policy on the plane people.

There's wrong, 100% wrong and then there's Paul.

After being thrashed 6-love, 6-love, 6-love, in a five setter. Outclassed and failing to return serve once, aced over and over, on centre court by Paul1405, mhaze is on some outer court now, out there on his own, with the lights off, thinking the match is still in progress. Although it was a singles game, mhaze enjoyed the advantage of a few doubles partners, however it did't improve the scoring, them like mhaze, were totally outclassed.

He has been foolish enough to throw up some more nonsense, so I better answer him.

I didn't included other minor parties as they have not tried to build a reputation on being tough on "illegals", as One Nation and the Australian Conservatives have. I questioned that toughness when it comes to overstayers.

The so called policy of One Nation, 17 vague words must have taken the Loverly Pauline all of 17 seconds to formulate. Well with Pauline not being the sharpest tool in the shed it might have taken her 3 weeks. The Australian Conservatives don't even have 17 words, they have nothing at all.

Of course the Coalition and Labor have a policy, its the policy that is in place now, they don't have to write it down, it plain to see. Both parties by default have a policy of maintaining the status quo on overstayers after the next election. Its not the policy I agree with, but the policy will only change if the overstayers hit Australia right between the eyes once too often. Then the government will be forced to change policy. The problem for government is to much of the available resources for boarder security is directed at the back door for political reasons, and that leaves little available to deal with the growing front door problem.