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Man made or not it is changing

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Fester Go and find photos of Fort Denison in Sydney Harbour from 1885 & 1930 & 2016 in 131 years the sea level has only risen 6.5cm.

Bazz The sea rise at Fort Denison is just over 0.50mm per year since 1885.
Posted by Philip S, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 10:47:49 PM
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Impressed still by the details those who do not believe the science put out here
Too by the, to me at least, thought the science is part of a world wide fraud against fossil fuels
Luddites comes to mind
Man has had a negative effect on just about every thing
Look at the plastic rubbish in our oceans
The future is not going to be in fossil fuels, defending them by insulting the science to me at least seems strange
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 17 January 2019 4:25:36 AM
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Phil,

Measuring sea level on a global scale is complicated. Were continents fixed in place an unchanging measurement would be more meaningful, but they are moving. The satellite measurements have shown a rising trend since the early 1990s, but there is no indication that the rate is accelerating.

Belly,

I have no problem with the science, it is just that I think the long term extrapolations are so so far beyond its capabilities as to be meaningless. Far better to put resources toward solving the problems that exist.
Posted by Fester, Thursday, 17 January 2019 6:52:48 AM
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"Measuring sea level on a global scale is complicated."

Not just complicated. Effectively impossible. Tides and winds affect sea levels. Great movements of currents over centuries affect it also. Since none of these are well understood, determining their effect on measured sea levels is impossible.

Recently a great body of very cold water has been found at the bottom of the Pacific. It's postulated that it was cooled during the Little Ice age and remains to this day. Its effects on Pacific currents and sea levels is entirely unknown and will be studied for years, if not decades.

Add to that issues like Continental Tilt and the problem becomes enormous. For example it is reasonably certain that Australia is tilting north-south ie the north is slowly sinking as we travel north which means that the south is slowly rising. How much, how consistent and for how long, no one knows. But that it effects tidal-gauge readings is certain.

In Europe there are issues about Continental Rebound where land masses rise following the retreat of the ice sheets at during the Holocene.

In Hobart there's a gauge that shows sea levels falling dramatically over the past 170 yrs. One explanation is that the southern part of the continent is rising much quicker than currently thought. Another is that wind patterns have changed over the century.

Additional problems resolve around changing gravitational pulls and a myriad other issues.

All of which leads to the conclusion that claiming to be able to measure to with a millimetre or two is somewhat heroic.

Finally, even if it is proven without doubt that sea levels are rising at an accelerated rate, that doesn't say anything about man's influence. Sea levels have been rising since the start of the Holocene - there's many a Roman ruin under 2 metres of water
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 17 January 2019 11:41:30 AM
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No Belly, we are exposing the fraud that is global warming, using science.

For god sake do a little research other than in lefty propaganda rags & get some knowledge on the science.

Look at the utter garbage that academia is continually handing out to try to support the scam that is paying their wages.

Do you really think so much bulldust would be published if they had any actual evidence to support their case.

Grow up mate.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 17 January 2019 12:01:02 PM
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Hasbeen like you I have the right to my opinion
Like you I think I am far closer to being right than my opponent
Here we differ, my research is real
Not from Marval Comic books but reading true science true researched facts
Can you not see, if you are right then half the world is wrong
That even the young national/farmers groups are calling for action on climate change
Too that a part of the huge election loss confronting the LNP, much of its internal war/leadership troubles
Come because not every one in that group shares your view
Old age should not take away our dignity, unfocused anger at others opinions will do that
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 17 January 2019 12:13:36 PM
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