anyone counted up all the deaths in Europe lately as a result of the extreme cold that the warmist said 10 years ago was not going to happen. The egg on face must stink by now.

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/327/5970/1219.abstract

"Stratospheric water vapor concentrations decreased by about 10% after the year 2000."

Some have suggested this might be one reason for the hiatus in temperatures that occurred in two decades up to 2013.

Dear mhaze,

We both know the term hiatus was a misnomer and only had any sort of currency if 1998 wasn't taken as the outlier it really was.

Perfectly illustrated here;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_hiatus#/media/File:Temperaturanstieg-vergleich-zwischen-ausschnitt-und-gesamtverlauf.gif

But you are correct there was a drop in stratospheric water vapour concentrations through a part of the 2000s. There was another before then around 1996 and one after around 2004. These thing appear over the years as waves but as you can see from the Boulder, Colorado data each subsequent peak is higher than the previous and I have little doubt the current rise we are experiencing will peak higher than any before.

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ozwv/wvap/

I know there is a real temptation to highlight these things when they occur but you do end up with egg on your faces when the smoothed trends keep right on heading the way they were expected to given the science.

SteeleRedux Quote "Firstly Belly was not looking to counter 'these records'. You only just posted them."

You are right, Belly was not looking to counter them, he is more than likely not even aware of them BUT he made an absolutely stupid statement Quote "No science needed here just walk out the door" the statement about the temperature trends did not back up his stupid statement.

So you would prefer to take this statement "No science needed here just walk out the door" as proof of GW rather than figures that tend to show the temperature can fluctuate up and down.

The current higher than usual temperature do not categorically prove GW as Belly implies.
He could not even come back and answer one very simple question I asked
**If the fact today is very hot outside proves climate change is real how do you explain a few days ago when it was cooler and also in a few days when it gets cooler, the weather cycles.**
Belly won't answer it so you answer it using his stupid statement as a basis for your reply.

Quote "Since you are cutting and pasting to various threads allow me."

Wrong again I put it on the other thread first then it was appropriate here as well in retort to Belly's rubbish statement.
The one he can't even defend he need you to do that.

Belly Quote
"PS I need desperately, to be honest
I GOT YOU WRONG
See I on first finding your though you to be bright
SORRY
Please understand no offense meant just truth
You are on my * of no real substance list*
Your words your posts nothing else, put you there
Now YES break my try to be nice rule, and it lessens me
But do you think I should not, as you do, take verbal combat back to its original staring point?
TRUTH is the most important measure not insults"

** I need you to translate that gobbledygook into English. **

Note going to ignore provocation
Yes it is my view you only need walkout side, right now if you wish, to see some thing has changed
Stoic type not prone to giving up my night,like the past 6, has been hell
24 DEGREES NOW, JUST AFTER 5 AM
got to 39, only 40 ks away at coast it was 32 inland? 47.5!
day after day we hear of records broken
All time records this week
Dogma will change nothing
Man made or not it is changing

"We both know the term hiatus was a misnomer and only had any sort of currency if 1998 wasn't taken as the outlier it really was."

Well that's disappointing. A while back I set out to educate you about the pause and I'd thought that you finally got it although you did go away in a huff.

But now you've reverted. I'll leave you to go back and re-read that thread as a refresher coarse.

But just for clarification the pause(hiatus) was real, world-wide, shown in all the temperature data sets, acknowledged by most climate scientists, and had nowt to do with 1998.

The whole 1998 meme was just something dreamt up to try to hide an unwanted phenomena and fool the statistically illiterate. Seems it's still working

"but as you can see from the Boulder,"

1. Boulder isn't the world.
2. These same people gather data from other sites but only plot one. Ask yourself why. Check the unplotted data they show on their page for, say, NZ to find the answer.
3. The changes are minute and only look big to the uninitiated because of the carefully chosen 'y'-axis points.

Irrespective, the fact is that water vapour levels fell at the same time as temperature levels plateaued. Things changed before and after that. Things always change although that concept seems to rather difficult for some to gather.