Hasbeen Quote "I am sure you will agree that this in both areas is weather, not climate."
Correct.

But to the GW scammers.

If it is too hot that is because of climate change, but they also say if it is too cold that is climate change.

If it is too wet that is because of climate change, but they also say if it is too dry that is climate change.

Everything is caused by climate change that is why they changed it from global warming, it was too limited in its scope.

Belly Quote "No answer PS? Why ask?"

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I have a challenge, it will take guts
Sit down just for ten minutes and ask your self why so many thing man made climate change is true
If you are very brave and very wrong, you will fall back on the idea they are all stupid
And only those who agree with you are right
Play with this divisive ball of string, but never forget divided we fall united we do indeed make progress
Some thing must happen in this area and the up coming election will see Australian Farmers vote against past history as they in big numbers want action

I can see where you are coming from Belly.
Consider this;
1. The basic principle is that more co2 in the atmosphere means that
the atmosphere holds more heat. No argument there.
2. One side insists that there is NO scientific proof that it will
cause a significant rise in world temperatures.
3. The argument resolves into an argument about how sensitive the
atmosphere is to increased co2.
4. Does the increased co2 mean increased plant growth, as noted from
satellite, rather than greater temperature rise.
5. Is the increased man made co2 in the atmosphere all that
significant and what is the ratio of natural increase and man generated co2.

As the models show a larger increase that actual measurement it seems
that the models sensitivity parameter is set to a too high a level.
That in a nutshell is how I see the argument.
We are just spectators in this game and we hope the pollies do not over react.

Dear Bazz,

Reasonably put so let's see if I can respond in kind.

You asked;

“1. The basic principle is that more co2 in the atmosphere means that 
the atmosphere holds more heat. No argument there.”
Good.

2. One side insists that there is NO scientific proof that it will 
cause a significant rise in world temperatures.
Well the basic principle you have already spoken of says it will have a significant impact in and of itself however there are arguments as to why this might be mitigated by other factors. None of course have been substantially proven.

3. The argument resolves into an argument about how sensitive the
atmosphere is to increased co2.
Indeed and only fully resolved by what ends up happening on the ground. As it stands the predictions, particularly from advanced modelling have been pretty spot on giving greater confidence in mapping future scenarios. The question becomes do we have a duty of care to future generations to act now or ask them to live with our mess.

4. Does the increased co2 mean increased plant growth, as noted from
satellite, rather than greater temperature rise.
Well no since the oceans are also taking up CO2 but in the end it is the atmospheric CO2 which is the issue and it is increasing rapidly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere#/media/File:Carbon_Dioxide_400kyr.png

5. Is the increased man made co2 in the atmosphere all that 
significant and what is the ratio of natural increase and man generated co2.
Well yes it is and in the face of a stunning lack of evidence for another significant source, plus the fact that calculations on fossil fuel consumption along with its related CO2 output closely concur with the measurements we are getting, then the conclusion that the vast bulk of the increase is 'man generated' is legitimate.

My fear is not that politicians will over react but rather they will as usual under-perform.

Bazz SR I tender this mornings Sydney Morning Herald
Its advice yesterday the hottest 15 places on earth all took place in Australia
OK we have a drought, it is summer
Same story today will be worse
Not going out side until after 6, 5 pm eastern standard time
Much work to do but 38 on my veranda
30 inside
My new Budgie Avery and raised garden bed, will get done
No science needed here just walk out the door

Belly Quote "No science needed here just walk out the door"

** Absolutely stupid analyses or should I say lack of it.

If the fact today is very hot outside proves climate change is real how do you explain a few days ago when it was cooler and also in a few days when it gets cooler, the weather cycles.

Here is your argument for winter I predict you will say.

Today is very cold outside it proves climate change is real, no science needed. **

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** I raise your BS science with 2 counter offers **
1) UK snow SHOCK: NO ONE will escape the COLD - wall of snow to COVER Britain for a month
THE UK will be hit by a wall of snow as temperatures plunge on Wednesday, leaving no part of Britain out of the freezing weather.

Temperatures will fall more than 10C as winds bring the wintry weather to the British Isles.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/1072261/uk-snow-forecast-cold-weather-uk-met-office-long-range-forecast

2) Tanks roll in to frozen hell: Germany and Austria call state of emergency as troops save residents from NECK-DEEP snow after 21 deaths in worst winter for more than 30 years
Tanks and troops were drafted in to rescue homeowners from neck-deep snow in Germany and Austria as the whiteout looked to continue past the weekend.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6584305/Europe-blanketed-snow-following-deaths-21-people-winter-whiteout.html