Don't forget all the giant waves that the altimeter is surveying. That is why measurement over short periods is inaccurate. Over longer time frames and with data from many sources the error decreases.

What concerns me is the idea that we should be solving a problem predicted from a scientifically invalid extrapolation. Further, the means of solving the imaginary problem involves destroying our economy and handing over vast sums of money to badly run countries (Trump has a good epithet for them).

Attacking scientists is shooting the messenger. The issue of climate change has been hijacked by the left as a means of vilifying capitalism. I cannot see an outcome that would end better than any other socialist experiment.

Belly,

I share your concern for plastic waste, but go back fifty years and where were all the predictions of the problem we have today? The introduction of plastic was seen as a great innovation that would save the forests among other benefits. Life would be much easier with a crystal ball. I think it would be better to use scientific endeavour to solve such problems instead of destroying the present to prevent an imagined future catastrophe.

Gee Belly this absolutely demolishes your statement about the temperatures "No science needed here just walk out the door"

Despite a 68 - year gap in data from 1791 to 1859, we conclude that there has been NO significant change in Max and Min temperature trends at the Sydney Observatory station for at least a period of 226 years, from 1788 to 2018.

http://saltbushclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/comparison-of-first-fleet-and-modern-temperatures.pdf

References and Citations
Gergis, J., Karoly, D.J., & Allan, R.J., 2009: A climate reconstruction of Sydney Cove, New South
Wales, using weather journal and documentary data, 1788
–
1791. Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Journal 58, pp. 83-98
McAfee, R.J., 1981 Dawes’s Meteorological Journal: Historical Note, Australian Bureau of Meteorology No. 2. Canberra, Aust. Government Publishing Service
McAfee, R.J., 2010 Discovering Australia’s first weather record : S.E.A.R.C.H, 4 March 2010

Compiled by Dr Geoff Derrick
G M Derrick Geology
Brisbane, Australia
7 .1.2019

** Don't know about you but I would rather trust this than Belly walking out the door. Doctor Belly Phd (deosn't sound right) **

Dear Philip S,

Since you are cutting and pasting to various threads allow me.

Firstly Belly was not looking to counter 'these records'. You only just posted them.

To the quote you have grandly supplied;

“Despite a 68 - year gap in data from 1791 to 1859, we conclude that there has been NO significant change in Max and Min temperature trends at the Sydney Observatory station for at least a period of 226 years, from 1788 to 2018.”

Why did you reference Gergis, Karoly, & Allan when the quote was from Geoff Derrick who put together a clearly amateurish document (it couldn't be called a paper by any stretch of the imagination)? A poor propaganda piece by a retired geologist, (a profession made up of more than its fair share of climate skeptics) as the sole author, yet he interestingly refers to himself as 'we'.

So what do Gergis, Karoly, & Allan really say about comparing the two sets of data?

“The ranges of daily extremes in temperature and MSLP from the Dawes data compare well with those from the modern observations for all seasons, except for Tmax in summer, when Dawes’s data are likely to slightly overestimate the highest maximum temperatures due to inadequate thermometer exposure. These results suggest that the record is useful for examining relative (rather than absolute) climate variations experienced during the first years of European settlement in Australia.”
http://minerva-access.unimelb.edu.au/bitstream/handle/11343/32770/289363_A%20climate%20reconstruction_Aust%20Met%20and%20Ocean%20Jour.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

'Bugger that' thought your geologist, 'I'm going to quote from other sections of their work but leave that out completely. Instead I will boldly make the claim that “we conclude that there has been NO significant change in Max and Min temperature trends at the Sydney Observatory station for at least a period of 226 years” even though it can't be sustained'

'And blokes like Philip S will faithfully regurgitate my anti GW rantings as fact because that is what useful 'idiots' are for.'

Come on young fella its happened again hasn't it. Caught once again with your pants down. Time to step and attempt to do this stuff properly.

Dear Hasbeen,

Sorry mate only just saw your reply.

Naturally what you put is demostrably false and more than happy to go through them if you wanted to in more detail. Just pick one and we will start there.

But one assertion you made I hadn't heard before.

“CO2 displaces water vapour from the atmosphere. As water vapour is a much more efficient greenhouse gas than CO2 it actually reduces green house effect.”

This was a doozy so I had a quick look and the first thing that popped up was this graph;

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/BAMS_climate_assess_boulder_water_vapor_2002_-_2.png

And NASA holds a different view too it seems.
“This new data set shows that as surface temperature increases, so does atmospheric humidity,” Dessler said. “Dumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere makes the atmosphere more humid. And since water vapor is itself a greenhouse gas, the increase in humidity amplifies the warming from carbon dioxide."
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/vapor_warming.html

Rather than waste anymore time on something you may have got wrong I'm wondering where you might have got your information from as it seems contrary to the science.

Thanks.

PS I need desperately, to be honest
I GOT YOU WRONG
See I on first finding your though you to be bright
SORRY
Please understand no offense meant just truth
You are on my * of no real substance list*
Your words your posts nothing else, put you there
Now YES break my try to be nice rule, and it lessens me
But do you think I should not, as you do, take verbal combat back to its original staring point?
TRUTH is the most important measure not insults