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One of the biggest problems with the Liberal party is that it now has two ideologies - Left and Right. These two are fighting each other, and in the middle is a stand-for- nothing Prime Minister who doesn't really appeal to either side. The circus needs to strike it's tent; the different factions need to find a new home that they are comfortable with, and a new conservative party has to be formed. Perhaps a couple of terms of really rotten Labor government will help that happen. Because that's what we are facing - really rotten Labor government, and there is nothing that the current Liberals are willing to do that will stop it.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 2 December 2018 9:04:45 AM
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//a new conservative party has to be formed.// ttbn, a few months back you were trumpeting the virtues of Corny Banana and his Australian Conservative Party, has the wheels fallen off that wagon?
Are you not a member? Can't you all fit in that chook pen? Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 2 December 2018 9:26:39 AM
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ttbn I'll give you the link. You can go to their online store and buy a swag of overpriced Chinese made Corny Banana junk, like a 'Hard Core Conservative Stuffed Chinese Koala' for the ridiculous price of 30 bucks! Or maybe you are the stingy type who'll go for the cheapy $10 Corny Stubby Holder.
http://shop.conservatives.org.au/collections/homeware-and-gifts Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 2 December 2018 9:37:08 AM
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Belly- Both Labor and the majority of the Liberal Party are Classical Liberals. Basically it means freedom (but not for everyone) and it can also mean change.
The current "Liberal movement"- The strategy of the communists was to use the masses (the factory workers and farmers) to take the power and give it to an enlightened leadership (Professors) similar to the Philosopher Ruler described in Plato's Republic (but Plato's rulers weren't ideologues and weren't Liberal). With the failure of communism was apparent in the 1930's the ideas of communist thinker Leon Trotsky such as Radical Permanent Revolution and International Communism were combined with the popular 1930's ideas of Freud to create the New Left through Marcuse. Marcuse believed that sexuality had the radical subversive power to destroy the structures of the ruling class. This is embodied somewhat in the Gay and Feminist movements. The Gay Stonewall movement founded in Chicago movement influenced the Workers Movements (such as the Working Mans Clubs) in the US in the 70's and across the world. We now see signs dramatic signs that the Marcusian New Left are influencing all parts of Western society and major political parties (Workers and Business Parties- Socs and Caps) through Same Sex Marriage, Feminism, Political Correctness, etc. Feminism is a particular issue to stability due to their large proportion of the population. Essentially the New Left is Communist and the end result of its policies will be monolithic world "Communism". Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 2 December 2018 9:40:09 AM
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Toni Lavis - Kudos - Yes the Declaration Of Independence is a Liberal document for the time. Of course it's relative- the society of Independence America and how Liberty is envisaged is very different from today. John Locke's ideas of the equally free and good individuals of nature are part of it- something that Hobbes disagreed with. The Locke / Hobbes argument comes down to the argument about whether man is naturally "good or bad" if man is virtuous then he should be free (Liberalism) if they are not they should be controlled (Conservatism). A problem arises due to the fact that rulers are also entities of mankind- who rules the rulers- this is thought to be resolved by appointing rulers with virtue or approapriate breeding (a meritocracy)- democracy adds further elements.
ttbn- The Liberal Party is made up of 40% Conservative and so on many issues they are probably less Liberal overall than the Labor party. People don't understand what Conservatism is. As Orwell says if people don't have the language to express a concept they can't act. http://www.coursehero.com/lit/1984/symbols/ http://theessentialencounter.wordpress.com/2017/05/02/the-destruction-of-language-in-george-orwells-1984/ “By 2050, earlier, probably – all real knowledge of Oldspeak will have disappeared. The whole literature of the past will have been destroyed. Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Byron – they’ll exist only in Newspeak versions, not merely changed into something different, but actually changed into something contradictory of what they used to be. Even the literature of the Party will change. Even the slogans will change. How could you have a slogan like ‘freedom is slavery’ when the concept of freedom has been abolished? The whole climate of thought will be different. In fact there will be no thought, as we understand it now. Orthodoxy means not thinking – not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness” Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 2 December 2018 9:41:49 AM
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Conservatives are the ones that look upon the last forty years of change with horror.
The Free Trade loss of our borders, the high immigration loss of our borders, the sexualisation of our children, the relegation of parents, the destruction of our culture, the unfulfilled promises and deception of "Economic and Social Liberalism". Liberals believe that they know better than our ancestors. Conservatives believe that our parents and ancestors society was structured better as it gave more power low in the hierarchy. Big government crowds out low level power structures and makes the world less democratic. Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 2 December 2018 10:02:01 AM
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