Foxy so true, more bad news NSW LIBERAL Kelly it seems, against the wishes of his members, will have special rule used to save his seat
Seems only after a shellacking will the party consider reform
Roll on election, who will lead after that loss?
Julie Bishop must be a chance

ttbn- I agree with you. But the Liberal Party is a brand- and to create a brand requires ground work- you need to educate the consumer. The electorate doesn't understand our Conservative value perspective. Any goal needs a plan and resources- the election will be early next year.
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I with many others still value the views of our elders- the young need this link for the future.

I'll be working steadily with the few that still believe in Traditional British Australian Values to act as a team to create a vision for those that are loyal. During elections I am buoyed by the many that still quietly regard Traditional Australian values as "common sense". The principles of Free Speech over Political Correctness, Voltaire, The Declaration of Independence- Government of the people, Local forms of government, Self Reliance, Resilience, letting parents teach children about sex and discipline, responsibility- are still considered "common sense" by many. These are core Conservative Values and they are so much more than the Liberalism of the Labor Party and the Free Traders. We need to tell Australians that they should be proud of their quiet efforts in their day to day work, their role in Australia, the little things that create Australia's future- and its past. The duty and value of rulers is to direct the population to greater strength as each day is a step in life- at dusk we'll see the wealth of the work that sustains us and ours- the threads of each loyal life make our nation. Let Australian's stand tall again- together- our elders/ our families/ our young- and we "stop the dividers".

It maybe worth reading this mornings Sydney Morning Herald
You will find it highlighted the two cats fighting in a bag Liberals are intent on killing each other.
The the other side, peg on nose, be brave, Sky News
The dark side of the moon ,they will tell you true Liberals, small l Liberals, are a minority and betraying the party
If you make it past that you are a Hero
One more test, find in every way you can, what do small l Liberal voters think, if you get this far you are streets ahead of the Liberal factions, they do not even care
Finally, dare I? how big is that faction small l,s in voters ranks
I believe Conservative Liberals make up no more than 30 or 40 percent of voters

//Voltaire//

As in Voltaire the liberal philosopher?

You don't know what you want, do you?

Hi Belly,

Can you help me out of this one, ttbn seems to be to embarrassed to reply. A little while back the lad was crowing the virtues of Corny Banana and his Australian Conservative Party, I believe he even claimed membership (it might have been rejected due to his perceived radical left wing stance, or he wouldn't pay the dues). Is there not enough space in that chook pen for all these conservative turkeys. What do you think? Maybe they are waiting for the second coming of the messiah, the return of Holy Joh, who they expect to descend shortly and take them all to the promised land (Kingaroy Queensland). .

Toni Lavis- Kudos- Yes Voltaire- "I don't agree with what you say but I support your right to say it"- it appears Liberals have lost the principles of Liberalism too- but I agree with the quote. John Locke was a Liberal too- the one that inspired the Declaration of Independence- which you note was also quoted. But I would say that Voltaire and Locke are both probably much more Conservative than today's Liberals.

From my understanding Conservatism loosely evolved from the Monarchy and is perhaps the older form. It has adopted new ideas but with somewhat less zeal than Liberals.