Dear Belly,

We don't have to worry about those kind of Victorians
any more. The voters took care of that.
Hopefully, the Andrews government planners will
improve things all round regarding traffic
conjestion in this state.
It badly needs doing.

//But I would say that Voltaire and Locke are both probably much more Conservative than today's Liberals.//

Possibly, I've never met either of them and I haven't read much Voltaire. Nevertheless, the fact remains the the first three 'Traditional Australian' and 'common sense' values you listed - 'Political Correctness, Voltaire, The Declaration of Independence- Government of the people' - are all very definitely classic liberal values. And the remaining five - 'Local forms of government, Self Reliance, Resilience, letting parents teach children about sex and discipline, responsibility' - do not conflict with liberalism.

So it would appear that despite all your protests to the contrary, you're really far more in favour of liberalism than you'd care to admit.

ttbn- Thanks for your comments. Yes the world isn't fair ... walk it off. I'd be proud to stand with you at polling.

Toni Lavis- I think you need to go back and read what I wrote again. Also Liberalism is freedom is relative- (so liberalism is about change) - just like your Dad is your Dad but not my Dad.

Every day the cat fight gets more funny, last night on QxA the insult that kids with a view are headed for the dole line got bashed
The young man had it all over his opponents
Lets see LNP is against women, will not let its party,s pre-selectors select,thinks future voters [those kids] are a target for insults
Maybe some one needs to tell them their job is to make policy people want, not war
Question, again, how many conservatives are in this government, supplementary how many voters from their base are conservatives
IF as I think it is unbalanced , but not in a majority in either group why the fuss

Another thread has ran its course but the questions it put will remain long after it stalls
Facts, Victorian Liberals lost some firm Liberal voters
They it seems voted Labor
Too the usual fear and loathing/law and order/over spending cheap shots failed
Still the debate continues about the undoubted factional war within that party
Questions arise, what percentage, nation wide, of party seat holders are ultra conservatives
What percentage of Liberal party voters are
What is the undoubted difference
The world has traveled to the right, based on a very real unhappiness with migration/refugees
As more and more center and left of it party,s agree with some of that, is a move away from the new right a chance
Should this mini me shadow of Trumps madness consider what it once did so well
Taking the best of its opponents policy as their own
EG last nights adoption of the Rudd reform re dumping Prime Ministers