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Refugees and Migration 50 years in to the Future

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Toni Lavis said- "My theory is that it's because most of my ancestry can be traced back to Ireland. So I'm perhaps a little bit more aware than others that a hundred years or so ago, it was the Irish on the receiving end of this sort of nonsense:"

Answer- There has been an Irish prejudice narrative going around recently relating to Ned Kelly (1854-1880) story. Well Australia was a British Colony so they considered the Irish a potential threat. The Irish had their own threats in Ireland at the time. Often people that are closest have significant conflict- this can be taken advantage of by people even more different- just look at the Christian denominations. The pattern of concentric circles seems to apply here. At the moment Irish people are considered as part of the family of western cultures. It's concerning that Ireland looks to have an ethnic Indian Prime Minister. Given that he also promotes himself as gay it appears that intersectionality has worked for him. If a leader of a country has views/ behavior widely different than that of the governed there is the question as to whether they will act in the interest of the governed
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 11:36:43 AM
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Toni Lavis said- "Their population is already declining and set to continue its downwards trajectory. If you think that's not going to cause them any economic woes, you're dreaming."

The Japanese are an innovative, adaptive, well disciplined bunch. Their manufacturing capabilities are highly automated. Toni Lavis- do you have any evidence of your claims of economic threats in Japan. In the 70s economists said from memory that if you give $2 to business $1 will go to more employment- in more modern times industry is less reliant on labour for production. Japan has a successful space program. Japan's per capita income is one of the best in the world. Their systems of MITI and Kieretsu organisations were a good example of Japan's excellent management strength. Western countries have long criticised Japan and China for their opaque un-exploitable systems- but they have protected their countries from outside forces. I wish we had more of these patriotic people in government and public service in Australia. Japan has the longest average lifespan of any country. Japan has a number of high quality world brands. The reports appear to indicate that Japan's population will decrease from 130M to 100M by 2050. Japan apparently doesn't try to justify themselves externally to other countries- they just get things done. Very admirable.

http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/japan-population/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regions_by_past_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

Sorry for the anecdotal nature of this post
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 11:38:58 AM
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We do understand? refugees and migrants are not all Muslim? What if Israel fell in these 50 years ahead?or a European country? for sure those 50 years will bring massive changes are we asking for an end to all of the above or just Muslims? the seeds of change have been planted in the EU any observer can see some reduction in migrants is ahead, maybe targeting Muslims, but in the end monoculturalism is dead already
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 12:02:05 PM
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Good Morning Armchair Critic,

Why on earth would I see myself as an immigrant?

I was born here, grew up here, went to school, high school,
university here, I live and work here, got married here,
raised a family here, I am an Australian citizen - with all
the rights and responsibilities that it entails. And yet you
have the gall to tell me that I consider myself an immigrant
because I support multiculturalism and regard our country
a nation of immigrants or descendants of immigrants?

I am truly gobsmacked. Yes, my ancestry is European - so what.
We all have different ancestors. But are you saying that if
they're not Anglo-Celtic - we're not true Australians? In that
case - shame on you.

As for my advocating more immigration? I am trying to debate
what effect greatly lowering our intake would have on our
economy, our goods and services and our country's wealth.
This is something that does need
to be discussed - and I am sure that our governments will do
precisely that - as they've done in the past.

As for Muslims? Our own Prime Minister has stated that our
and I quote, "Immigration nation is not defined by race, religion,
culture but by our shared values of freedom, democracy, the
law and equal opportunity. We reject practices which undermine
these shared values..."

I do not now, nor ever have support extremists or terrorists -
no matter who they are or where they come from. And my posting
record clearly shows that.

The link below is worth a read - it illustrates why multiculturalism
has been successful in Australia as compared to other countries:

http://www.humanrights.gov.au/news/speeches/success-australia-s-multiculturalism
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 12:58:22 PM
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Belly said "in the end monoculturalism is dead already"

Answer- Monoculturalism is not dead. "There is always a dominant culture" it's just it may not be ours. There will likely be a fight between people of India and China for Australian territory and Australians will be swept away and bred out and ignored. China will eventually lose the battle with India. In a hundred years the Australian people will be a dead race that will be lucky if it has a mention in a history book. The land of Australia will be decimated as half a billion people relocate from India increasing Australia's population by twenty times. The Australian businesses won't benefit either and will be dominated by Indian businesses and used as a foothold into world dominance. Effectively Australia will become a sister country of India. India will have dominance over Indonesia and probably the whole of South East Asia.
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 1:25:47 PM
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The Ruler and the Outlaw are opposite on the wheel of "The Four Cardinal Orientations"- Freedom / Order and Social / Ego. An interesting comparison might be the "Socialist / Capitalist" and "Authoritarian / Anti-authoritarian" two dimensional political table (see Political Compass http://www.politicalcompass.org/).

See Jungian archetypes

http://www.soulcraft.co/essays/the_12_common_archetypes.html

6. The Rebel/ Outlaw/ Revolutionary
Motto: Rules are made to be broken
Core desire: revenge or revolution
Goal: to overturn what isn't working
Greatest fear: to be powerless or ineffectual
Strategy: disrupt, destroy, or shock
Weakness: crossing over to the dark side, crime
Talent: outrageousness, radical freedom
The Outlaw is also known as: The rebel, revolutionary, wild man, the misfit, or iconoclast.

12. The Ruler
Motto: Power isn't everything, it's the only thing.
Core desire: control
Goal: create a prosperous, successful family or community
Strategy: exercise power
Greatest fear: chaos, being overthrown
Weakness: being authoritarian, unable to delegate
Talent: responsibility, leadership
The Ruler is also known as: The boss, leader, aristocrat, king, queen, politician, role model, manager or administrator.
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 2:31:04 PM
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