//but, we know which people make up the only gangs in the game.//

Don't they have bikies in Melbourne? I should move south. No bikies means no ice, and ice users scare the bejeesus out of me.

Perhaps working with these gangs the bishop is able
to see and experience what the general public can't.
And is genuinely trying to try something new for
a change to see if this approach will work.

As stated earlier - the thing about the current debate -
it becomes disturbing when you attack a particular
ethnic group. "Chinese immigrants are destroying the
housing market," or talk about so called "African gangs."
Or refer to Muslims as following a religion that preaches
hatred and terrorism.

We can have a reasoned debate about population size
and accompanying issues if we don't single out and attach
that to a particular group. Then it becomes emotive and
not evidence-based and develops a momentum of itself.

How would any of us like to have this sung about us:

"Aussie, Aussie, born and bred
Long in the leg
And thick in the head!"

Nice - right?

Foxy,

Migrants are not one homogenous group, the different ethnic groups have different characteristics. The Chinese are hardworking and not known for rampaging street gangs, but the Sudanese are. The Indians are technically adept and not known for acts of terror or the oppression of women, yet others are.

While this is not politically correct and the left whinge will have a fit over it, it is the reality on the ground.

We should not defend criminals just because they come from an ethnic minority, too we must not brand all from that minority for the crimes that concern us, I could waste hundreds of words defending these few Sudanese youths, poor background and culture education, the list is endless, we IF we defend them because of their race, are in my view feeding the racist haters, they exist, they did the crime, they like any criminal any race, should pay. if we can not say that, if we defend no matter what, the racist are in the end right.if being a minority, in any way, excuses criminal acts we are lost

Continued...

"Even a zero net immigration policy won't fix the current disaster"- current and recent immigrants have higher birth rates than Australian's and so stand to start to breed out locals. The fallout of this is that Australian's will show suspicion to (question the loyalty of) others that indicate that their heritage or politics have an immigration bias.

Australians feel that they have been tricked and now they will punish- fair enough! Anybody, any animal, will behave aggressively when threatened. Political fixes do tend to be somewhat arbitrary but we wouldn't be in this situation if the politician's listened to the people in the first place. My suggestion is- "support the Australian people" and you will less likely have your loyalty questioned.
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Foxy said (3) "What does that tell you? That I'll never be accepted?"

Answer- Acceptance is a two way street. If a person doesn't accept Australian's right to Australia- Australian's won't accept the person's right to Australia.

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Foxy said (4) "I'm looked upon as being foreign? And when I dare to suggest that this is a shameful thing? Frankly words fail me. As for what the future holds for this country?"

Answer- Chronologically- 1. Foxy claimed she is an immigrant ("Australia is an immigration nation" so presumably Foxy thinks of herself as foreign if all Australians are immigrants )- 2. commentators say that based on the fact that she is an immigrant there is a conclusion (I think the conclusion was that Foxy is an immigrant)- 3. Foxy complains about being called an immigrant and says the commentors are shameful and bad for the future.
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Foxy said (5) "Hopefully it will be better than what I'm currently experiencing for my granddchildren and great-grandchildren."

Answer- Over many generations descendants develop a strong attachment to the land and the people become part of the land.

Not an Australian story but I think you'll like it...

The Spirit of the willow tree
http://www.sacred-texts.com/shi/atfj/atfj04.htm

Dear Belly,

I totally agree with you that we certainly should not
defend criminals or extremists no matter where they
come from or who they are. My posting record on this
subject speaks for itself.

As Australians we value our way of life and we take
pride in our nation and its people. However it is
always important to be vigilant and nip extreme
intolerance of any kind in the bud.

Regardless of numbers,
ethnic diversity is a fact of the modern age of migration
and we must deal with it. We do not want or need another
Cronulla. Therefore, as I stated earlier - we can have a
reasoned debate about population size and accompanying
issues if we don't attach that to a particular
group. Then it becomes emotive and not evidence-based
and develops a momentum of itself.

For me this discussion has now run its course.
I look forward to seeing you on another thread.