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Refugees and Migration 50 years in to the Future

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Foxy said- "(1) Our democracy is robust enough to withstand overt unhelpful speech being spouted by some in their attempt to spread
misinformation and fear."

Answer(1)- This view appears unproven and risky.
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Foxy said- "(2) People who see multiculturalism and immigrants as "strangers" culturally different from everybody else. People we should not allow into this
country."

Answer(2)- Multiculturalism in the end will destroy culture- it's a form of genocide and is a very ethnocentric political structure because its intent is to destroy cultures and create a world multiculture (see COMINT). Another solution is to have borders between cultures. I don't blame certain groups for using this genocide strategy to change the power structure in their favour- it's one of the tools in the kit- blunt but effective. One of the most important lessons in politics- everyone does things that are in their own self interest and usually at the expense of everyone else. Wiser people understand that getting what you want for long term stability requires a more sophisticated and innovative approach of rewarding good behavior. It's interesting how the "marginalised segments" of societies are historically quite "happy to marginalise others" when they have the power. It's always about power- who's got it- who wants it- but what about stability- what are the principles?

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Foxy said (3)- "Despite the fact that we are a nation of immigrants.
We don't want any more?"

Answer(3)- Immigration has always been contentious- there has been recent massive increases in immigration- a lot of the immigration has been from countries of our ancestors the British and Irish cultures. There are those that say we are a nation of immigrants including well known Australian creative personalities (this shows that probably "We can't trust our culture to artists")-

overall - Australia IS NOT a nation of immigrants

"Australia is a nation of British and Irish" (Br-Irish/ I-tish)
Posted by Canem Malum, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 1:27:21 PM
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Its been said in order to control a company all that is required is 17.5 % of the shares. The same could also be true of Australia.

Oftimes it appears that immigration is prompted by influenced by factors of over population and mismanagement in the departing country- factors that often cannot be solved from afar. An army of hundreds of thousands of soldiers can still function in hostile environments because of management. There has been talk of banks that are too big to fail- countries are the similar- and just like banks sometimes we just need to let them fail. It's painful even to watch but everyone, every country has their own free will. Probably the whole of Africa has failed- it is probably too big for the world to help them- in many ways India is just avoiding failure- China has managed some of its internal issues but is now challenging externally for dominance.

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Foxy said (4)- "In the meantime our population is ageing and needs someone not only to support it but provide services in looking after it. No wonder the Prime Minister has a lot to deal with. That, and the ambitious and ruthless men within his own party."

Answer(4)- When I look into my circle of interaction I know of many aging people that would love to get a job that can't because of employer preferences. Employers I'm sure love to create division within society because it gives them power. "We don't have an aging population problem- we have a Corporate Australia problem".
Posted by Canem Malum, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 1:28:59 PM
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Do we include the recently released news we will have 25 million of us, not long ago planed to take place over fourty years,, now next month?this country maybe more than most can not hold huge numbers more than that, what will our population be in 50 years what effect will that have on refugees and migrants then
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 3:56:21 PM
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Pauline Hanson is a good example of a spreader of misinformation
and fear. Former Prime Minister John Howard stated that her
speech was - inaccurate, dishonest, verging on the deranged in
places. That she was appealing to the irresponsible racist
sentiment in the Australian community.

As for Multiculturalism? Multiculturalism will not destroy culture.
Multiculturalism strengthens cultures. It creates more variety
and encourages pluralism.

Of course in our history books you get "The First Fleet arrived.
It brought 1000 English convicts." It didn't. It brought 1000
convicts but probably they came from a dozen different
countries. English jails were no respecters of nationality.
The first Italian arrived on January 26, 1788 - Giuseppe Tuso.

There were people from South Africa, Ceylon, from India, from
Spain, Portugal, Hungary. Outside Australia's indigenous people
we are all immigrants or descendants of immigrants - some
earlier than others - but all with an experience of immigration
during the foundation of modern Australia. Our immigration
experience is a broad one. Originally it was Anglo-Celtic but
it changed and now in more recent times it has grown considerably
in numbers from a wide variety of countries. And all these
immigrant communities have made successful contributions to
Australian life and will continue to do so.

We are a nation of immigrants. In some schools 90% of the
students speak a language other than English as their first
language.

When considering cutting immigration - we need to take into
account our ageing population because it faces a number of risks
to living standards including health and aged care costs and
a smaller share of working-age people to produce goods, services
and wealth. Perhaps the most alarming is the threat of a shrinking
population and the effect this would have.

In South Korea and Japan for example, very low birth rates combined
with few immigrants and high life expectancy have led to a
dwindling workforce and a rapidly growing elderly population. These
countries may be in serious trouble. Bears thinking about.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 4:35:21 PM
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Foxy loves the New World Order.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 6:06:22 PM
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Dear Armchair Critic,

No. What Foxy loves is the values of freedom, democracy,
the law, and equal opportunity. She rejects practices which
undermine these values. She loves our immigration nation
that is not defined by race, religion, or culture but by
our shared values. We are an integrated and united people.
And this is something that our PM also fully supports:

http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/media/multicultural-australia-united-strong-successful
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 6:21:32 PM
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