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Refugees and Migration 50 years in to the Future

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I am bound to comment on those who tell us aid is theft from us, the reverse is true AID may well be, if used properly, the best defense against future refugee flows feed and house them in their own country teach them the things they need to live a good life with well directed aid at every step.
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 14 July 2018 8:35:04 PM
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Haven’t we been throwing aid at these countries for decades, how come this never seems to lead to any improvement in the lives of the people in these countries.
Posted by CHERFUL, Saturday, 14 July 2018 8:49:20 PM
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Reducing the number of people in some countries is the only solution.

Thailand and Iran (of all places) have shown that this can be done by government sponsored birth control. They lowered the number of babies born for each woman from about 6 to less than 2. Iran has since done an about face with the policy as they now wish to increase numbers, but they showed it can be done. Google family planning in either country.

I think this is what we and the UN should be concentrating on. Especially for those countries that experience famine. The RC church needs to support birth control.

Migration is not the answer and stronger borders will go up.
Posted by Banjo, Saturday, 14 July 2018 10:26:24 PM
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Aid to countries in OUR REGION makes sense, particularly with the rising aggression of China in our vicinity. However, how much goes out of our region?

The totally untrustworthy Foreign Minister claims that 90% of our foreign aid goes to the ‘Indo Pacific’. Apart from Australia there are 13 independent states officially in this region, plus smaller island countries. NONE OF THESE are Nepal, Bhutan, Pakistan, Maldives, the African East Coast, Comoros, Kenya, Madagascar, Mauritius, Mozambique, Seychelles, Somalia, Tanzania and South Africa, ALL OF WHICH have their snouts in our aid trough.

This is not an answer to your question, Cherful (the answer to that is that the despots mis-ruling the beneficiaries of our largesse are crooks who enrich themselves with aid money and do nothing for their people); but it shows that our politicians are lying about where the aid money goes, as they lie about most things these days. We have to ask ourselves what ‘extras’ our politicians are getting for being so generous with our money. It is also much more important than rabbiting on about illegal immigrants posing as refugees, and whether or not they will be getting away with it 50 years from now.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 14 July 2018 10:41:52 PM
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If Refugee status doesn't change in 50 years, then I suspect there will be a division of people within most countries that refugees are running to. One division will be citizens, and the other division will be a kind of second class population. Hopefully the same countries that people are fleeing from as refugees won't have the same issues they have today, and this potential future is avoided. Right know most countries are facing the issue in terms "what do we do with these people,". In 50 years if the problems still exist, there will be answers on what to do with them. And political groups fighting for their answer to be the one that is in place while that political party is in power.

For instance in the US, the issue of mass illegal immigration has been an issue for many many years. Coming from Mexico and countries south of Mexico. Industries have taken the population infeed while ignoring they are illegal immigrants, with the pay off of cheap labor. Even with costumes agents checking for illegal immigrants, the flow of cheep labor is high enough that they are easily replaceable, or that the same indivuals will return in a few weeks or a few months after being deported. Cities most affected by the migrant movements are those closest to the borders that they cross over. Making some of those cities politically charged as safe havens and others as trying to find the means, resources, and manpower to block the borders. Cities that aren't close to the borders will still have their say, and muddy the discussion in the domestic politics of "what do we do with these people."

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Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Sunday, 15 July 2018 12:31:21 AM
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In fifty years if refugee issues are still as strong as they are today, then the crime and the cultural fighting will be normalized as part of society. Police will have their own issues of discrimination and brutality within their ranks, while the class of people now in question as refugees will fight their own fight of being counted as citizens and not second class rejects. If this is going on in 50 years this issue will be ongoing and an unending debate.

If it's possible, fight that this doesn't come to be the case in 50 years. People don't usually want to leave their homes and their culture and customs to be strangers in a forgiven land. If the issues they are running from can be identified, then they can be attempted to be solved. Not just throwing money at it in hopes that the money isn't being placed in corrupted hands, but active plans and orginizations that are attempting a solution to make their homelands live-able again.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Sunday, 15 July 2018 12:32:14 AM
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