Killing Children cont... OH and LOOK they did it in every city! Deuteronomy 2:34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. Deuteronomy 3:6-7 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Hesbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities we took for a prey to ourselves. Ezekiel 9:5-6 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and woman: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house. Joshua 6:21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. Yep those Bible heroes you all love sure loved killing innocent babies, children and the unborn in the name of God. And you believe these lies against God...Free trip to hell for all believers...lmao So according to the Bible God isn't pro life afterall...lmao So I guess you have a decision to make... either you believe God is this horrid being who ordered or approved of these horrid crimes or you don't... To me the answer is simple but for you indoctrinated believers it must be hard to actually defend God's righteousness and admit these men lied to justify their war crimes...lmao Look what JESUS said... Mark 7:7-9 Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God. For you ignore God’s law and substitute your own tradition.” Then he said, “You skillfully sidestep God’s law in order to hold on to your own tradition. Never mind...Jesus was right about you all!...lmao

//but my time is more valuable than to waste it//

The available evidence suggests otherwise.

//Atheists like Toni are the problem...They give Atheism a bad name//

What part of 'pantheists are not atheists' did you not understand?

Do you have an intellectual disability or learning disorder?

To ALTRAV.

Thankyou. I hope you get the chance to find God one day too. I understand the issue with translations, but I trust God can get past that issue. In fact there are literature in the Dead Sea scrolls that supports the current translations of both the old Testiment and some scraps of the new Testiment. Or at least that's my understanding of the matter. But how things are taught in the churches and christian culture as a whole? It's not always by scripture. Because of this I think it's important to understand the bible so to know good doctrine from bad teaching. Wish you well ALTRAV.

To Opinionated2.

Do you see the very thing you critize Toni of doing you're doing the same thing? He treats your experiences rudely so you hold it in. But you disrespect everyone who has talked to you in this thread. How do you expect anything from this?

Honestly I would like to have the conversation about each of these bible verses. To either be part of the conversation or to read it. But you don't want a conversation. You only want your words to be heard. Instead drive everyone, Christian and nonchristian, away.

I wish you listened to my critism of being a fool. After all though Jesus taught to not judge, He did give a ruling on how to correct a fellow believer of a wrong they do. It is in that light I was trying to correct you. Let you see how you are being. None the less the final action by that teaching is to let that person go, and have nothing more to do with them. As long as you behave with arrogance and hypocritical with your standards for others compared to yourself, there's no point to be in further conversations with you. Let the world teach you how you've errored, just as the number of people who aren't Christian have found fault in your words, and your approach.

So if people haven't been convinced that in no way the Bible represents God and in fact it is an absolute insult to God after reading the verses I posted where killing children is approved then I guess there is "NO HOPE FOR YOU"!

It isn't me that is stating it...It is the writers of the Bible that are stating it.

The simple fact that you might still call it's God's word is embarrassingly sad.

Religions are still calling it "God's word"or the "Word of God"so they are obviously lying to everyone.

Did Jesus condone of lying to people?

So let's ask a few questions again...

Pretend you are God for 1 minute...How would you feel about people spreading lies against your good name? How would you react to being called a mass mnurderer of innocent babies and children?

Pretend you are Jesus for 1 minute...How would you feel about people spreading lies against your Father's good name? How would you react to your followers calling your Father a mass mnurderer of innocent babies and children?

Whilst still pretending your are Jesus...How would you feel about being called God when you are only the Son of God? How would you feel about a story that says you were tempted by Satan when it is impossible for you to be tempted by Satan?

There is no way that you can read the verses I have posted regarding Paul, Moses, David, Solomon, the atrocities against babies, children, unborn babies and the oppression of women and not realise that you are WRONG!

There is no way that you can study those verses and those people properly and come out tyhinking anything but "My God wouldn't do those things or approve of those things!"

If you still can then you are a disgraceful person who hates God and who refuses to look at the facts contained in the verses in the Bible.

Sorry at the point you truly are "No Hopers!"

THE TEMPTATION OF JESUS

If JESUS is GOD then how can GOD be tempted by the lowly SATAN? James says he can't!

James 1:13: Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

So how could JESUS/GOD be tempted?

JESUS has just been baptised and GOD speaks so all can hear.

Did JESUS know he was the Son of GOD before the baptism? YES!

Did Jesus know he was the Son of GOD after his baptism? YES!...Well he did unless he was blind and deaf!

Matthew 3:16-17...And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

And lo A VOICE FROM HEAVEN, saying, THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, IN WHOM I AM WELL PLEASED.

So for simplicity lets focus on one of the alleged temptations.

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

What? JESUS/GOD was tempted? He was offered all the kingdoms of the world by the lowly fallen angel Satan?

Didn't JESUS?GOD create all things? Isn't GOD the master of the Universe?

He already owns them! It's like someone tempting you with the car you already own! Here let me give you 1 cent for your car... Are you tempted? Of course not!

You believers, with your lack of knowledge, lack of logic, lack of analysis and lack of discernment give Satan way too much power.

Please STOP undermining GOD's love and omniscience with this infantile Bible babble.

GOD gave us an enquiring mind, if it is the end times, shouldn't we try using it?

But it isn't the end times... That too is a load of rubbish propogated so you who can't think will live in fear...lmao

Op2,

Very confusing: so you think the Bible is rubbish, except for some bits which praise Jesus ? Is that it ? Most of us would - mostly - agree with you.

Joe