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Religion - Is it finally time to know what you believe is probably wrong?

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The Lord's Prayer if Jesus was God...

ME, Who is standing in front of you
Hallowed by MY name
MY Kingdom's here
My Will will be ignored on Earth unlike in heaven
I will give you this day your daily bread
I might forgive your trespasses
For mine is the Kingdom, The power and the glory
Forever and Ever.

Isn't it amazing that the Bible and Jesus prove you all wrong continually...lmao

LOOK! People in the following passages claim to have seen/heard GOD. More lies!

Genesis 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

AND

Genesis 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

AND

Exodus 6:2-3 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:

And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

AND

Exodus 24:9-11 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.

And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

AND

Numbers 12:6-8 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.

My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.

With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?

Cont...
Posted by Opinionated2, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 9:12:26 PM
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Cont...AND Paul believed Moses,

Acts 7:2 And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken;The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran,

YET...THE BIBLE SAYS

Exodus 33:20 And he..(God) said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall NO MAN SEE ME, and live.

THE BIBLE SAYS

John 1:18 NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

JESUS SAID

John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. YE HAVE NEITHER HEARD HIS VOICE AT ANY TIME, NOR SEEN HIS SHAPE.

AND

John 6:46 NOT THAT ANY MAN HATH SEEN THE FATHER,save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

PAUL WROTE

1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; WHOM NO MAN HATH SEEN, NOR CAN SEE: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Paul also wrote the exact opposite...lmao

1 Corinthians 9:1 Am I am not an apostle? am I not free? HAVE I NOT SEEN JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD? are not ye my work in the Lord?

AND

1 Corinthians 15:8 AND LAST OF ALL HE WAS SEEN OF ME ALSO, as of one born out of due time.

PAUL CREATES A MAJOR PROBLEM HERE

If Paul has seen the Lord Jesus Christ BUT no-one has ever seen GOD and never will...How can Jesus be GOD?...lol

Yep Paul another one who claims to have heard JESUS/GOD.

1 Timothy 6:15-16 For at just the right time Christ will be revealed from heaven by the blessed and only almighty God,the King of all kings and Lord of all lords.

He alone can never die, AND HE LIVES IN A LIGHT SO BRILLIANT THAT NO HUMAN CAN APPROACH HIM. NO HUMAN EYE HAS EVER SEEN HIM, NOR EVER WILL.All honor and power to him forever! Amen.

Is Paul being honest here or have I caught him out telling fibs again? How can Jesus be GOD?
Posted by Opinionated2, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 9:19:14 PM
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Do not speak to fools, for they will scorn your prudent words.
-proverbs 23:9

Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
or you yourself will be just like him.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly,
or he will be wise in his own eyes.
-proverbs 26:4-5

Do you see a person wise in their own eyes?
There is more hope for a fool than for them.
-proverbs 26:12
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Opinionated2, here are some thoughts to correct you. So that you can be better for it.

1). You claim that the bible is lying about God, and then you accuse us of choosing this evil God. Which one is it? Is it that there are lies and you hold the truth or it is that you choose what is god, and do not seek what is true or what is a lie. By this I warn you of your own logic. It does not seek to find the truth. To test if it is true or not. But instead to fill you up with how cleaver that you are and choose a better "truth" as if the truth can be found in such a way. Therefore your claims for what is true and what are lies are in error. Don't be angry though, I'm giving you this criticism for your benefit. Hopefully they will help you in your error. Look for the One who answers prayers. Anything less then this is not God, not a God, nor anything in the same ballpark.

(Continued)
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 4:19:11 AM
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(Continued)

2). I see that you are getting a kick about how clever you are. LOLing, and lmao with your own clever digs on those who are still responding. I gave you the quotes from proverbs above for your benefit. Do not be so bold in your arrogance to think you are wise by a childish mockery. You'll only be fooling yourself.

3). As for the actual verses. Going into each would be of value. To try and explain how you've made mistakes with them could help you see the right path. But I warn you. Explanations take longer then the brief criticisms. And a collection of criticisms would take some time and patience to unburden. I feel though that instead you wish to hear no one else but your own voice.

In the mean time though here are two things to consider based on what you've already said. The idea that anyone is innocent is not true. Whether they are bad enough to deserve the death penalty that's worth a separate conversation. But I know of God's love in my own life. From that experience it is hard for me to believe He would drown the world if anyone was still innocent. The innocent would be saved like Noah was. Instead it shows the opposite. This might be a hard issue to hold onto, but I would compare the pre flooded earth to Israel just before God exiled them. Possibly the pre flooded world was worse. No one was innocent and those too young to be guilty were raised up in the same evil and wickedness. Death might not be a punishment for the young as it is the older who are guilty of their sins, but instead a consequence to the older sinful generations, as well as God bringing those young ones home, to God's heavenly realms before they are corrupted further.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 4:21:49 AM
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....by the way, if I had given you a false witness please show me where I did so. As far as I am aware all I did was call it out as it really was.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 4:24:07 AM
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NNS Religion has made you unthinking...

Your ignorance is astounding and your failure to comprehend is amazing...Yopu quote stupid verses from Proverbs at me and once again fail Jesus

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

If Jesus is correct here I hope you have heat proof clothing...lol

Once again you follow the teachings of man and fail Jesus!...lmao

I haven't accused you of choosing God at all...I have accused you of believing horrid lies against God...Please wake up!

Once again your comprehension skills are pathetic!

There is no benefit in your criticisms because you are simply wrong again...

You have deluded yourself into thinking you know God...The flood never happened, the Passover never happened, you continue on your merry way denigrating God...Congratulations on your total indoctrination...Your brain has been turned off.

So you claim God answers your prayers?

Let's see how your faith does then...YOU ARE ALL TALK!

JESUS gave believers the perfect way for believers to prove Atheists and Non-believers 100% wrong!

JESUS also gave believers the perfect way to convert Atheists, Agnostics and non-belivers to GOD!

There is absolutely no reason to debate...

Simply follow JESUS' simple instructions and YOU WIN!

I guarantee that most Atheists, Agnostics and non-belivers if not all would immediately convert to GOD and admit they were wrong!

YOU CAN'T LOSE! It's unequivocal!

Here is the method....

CURE ALL THE DISABLED PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WITH THE POWER OF YOUR BELIEF AND PRAYERS!

And here is why you SHOULD be able to do it, if your faith is true!

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Posted by Opinionated2, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 6:41:07 AM
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