I only mentione religious laws because your views were based on solid philosophivcal and religious grounds.

The Bible, for your information, for the most part is a load of rubbish written by misguided men many who were psychopaths. To even claim it is the word of God is the greatest insult to God possible!

So of course I only quoted the Do unto others"" bit because it is the golden rule in many cultures and one that is totally ignored by most religions and most cultures...

I would never put Barnaby Joyce as an example of morality. You missed the point!

I was stating that as the nationals state that their party believes in Christian principles then he should comply with those principles and give the money back.

The fact that everything has been stolen in this country from the natives is entirely correct and I would love to be able to fix it.

Under this false Christianity that people claim for follow our forefathers, if we are non-native, whilst claiming to be Christian - coverted the land, stole the land, killed many natives and did exactly not unto others as they would have others do to them.

3 Commandments and the golden rule broken in one little event.

So simply put from the very inception of this country we have claimed one thing and done the total opposite! Maybe we can get these politicians to be honest and honourable on this occasion or will they again fail their Christian religion as usual?

See how politicians distort things in the link from Foxy where Barnaby speaks.

The fact that the New England people he allegedly quotes can't grasp a couple of simple facts seems questionable.

He is a citizen of Australia BUT also a citizen of another country which under section 44 of the Australian constitution makes him ineligible to sit in the Australian parliament.

If people truly thought that he wasn't an Australian citizen then he should have easily corrected them.

The fact that he had difficulty doing so doesn't say much about his skills in verbal communication.

Note he responds with this... "To be quite frank I have a hard time trying to explain that to them."

What's hard about explaining that he is a citizen of Australia but is also a citizen of New Zealnd which means he was illegally elected?

He is just waffling like a politician and the media are wasting our time reporting it.

Perhaps he could have said " Look all my family were born in Tamworth"and then added "and Ï didn't check my eligibility as the Australian constitution is very specific as to whether or not I was eligible to run for parliament. And I wasn't!

"I broke the law as my citizenship status was outside Section 44 of the constitution and I want to pay the Australian people their money back like I have insisted people relying on Centrelink have. I make no apology for insisting on pensioners and unemployed payïng back wrongly paid moneys and I will do the honourable thing and do the same."

Funny how you guys on the change the law bandwagon miss all what he should have said!

Your case is irrelevant because at this point in time and when Barnaby and the others ran and got elected they were in breach of our constitution at that time!

I didn't make the law and I may not agree with it but I know it exists and it is still current and applicable until changed by referendum.

All these change the law raves are simply irrelevant in the current cases.

Foxy,

Thanks for that link, have you got any more funnies like that?

Best laugh I've had this week!!

Barnaby the Dill.

Dear Is Mise,

Thanks for getting it.

Dear Opinionated2,

«I was stating that as the nationals state that their party believes in Christian principles then he should comply with those principles and give the money back.»

Morally speaking, he should - and so should all other politicians and public servants, whether they have dual citizenship or otherwise, especially if they want to be on God's good books, that's the honourable thing to do. Would they claim that upon taking office they were unaware of "Thou shalt not steal"? Or that they were unaware that their salary comes from the proceeds of theft and robbery?

But civilly speaking, the state should not forcibly demand that money back, because if one takes the bible seriously then it is also written: "Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning" [Leviticus 19:13]. A new robbery doesn't cancel the previous ones.

«The fact that everything has been stolen in this country from the natives is entirely correct and I would love to be able to fix it.»

Not only from the natives and not only in the past. Government still continues to steal taxes from everyone. While I don't know how to fix the natives' wrongs, the fix for the ongoing theft is to make taxation voluntary.

«Maybe we can get these politicians to be honest and honourable on this occasion»

This is simply not possible. No matter what you do, you just cannot make another person honest or honourable!

«at this point in time and when Barnaby and the others ran and got elected they were in breach of our constitution at that time!»

Yes they were, but why should it matter (unless you respect the constitution, which would be inconsistent after what you just wrote about the treatment of natives)?

Interestingly, perhaps 90% of parliamentarians were in the same position when prior to nomination they failed to vigorously check for other citizenships. Most were just lucky to have none, but a few were not. Are the few less moral than the others?

So how far back is this reclaiming of monies to go 20, 30, 40 years....all because 'the people' were too lazy to safeguard their future...we were UK lap dogs and now we're US lapdogs....we were never our own people...that was just an illusion to be fed to the gullible.
I've heard every excuse one could hear as regards to why Australians could or wouldn't seek self determination.
US citizens are well mannered, well meaning yokels who happen to be ignorant and need to be spoon fed....and Australians can't wait to immitate