Yuyutsu,

Civily speaking the Bible is a load of rubbish so why would anyone take it seriously? Moses pretended God spoke to him and forced his evil ways on people by saying "the Lord said". Don't tell me you believe it...

You entirely miss the point regarding this situation and that verse from Leviticus...

"Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning" [Leviticus 19:13]

They weren't wages that the person was entitled to, so taking them back is not a second theft - It is righting the wrong done to us by people who were not entitled to stand for election, not entitled to win the seat, not entitled to sit in parliament and not entitled to draw a salary or the benefits paid to them.

So they put in a bit of their time whilst in breach of the law... Nothing makes your argument reasonable.

They should pay back the moneys and apologise to the taxpayers!

So just to tidy up a few of the points I have made in my last few posts.

The main point about Menzies, and how he was willing to worship royalty and to sell Australia out, is that I'm pretty sure he was an Australian citizen only, and he couldn't be trusted to put Australia and Australians first!

We know that generally speaking a British person would put Britain first. That's entirely understandable!

So with a person in our parliament with dual citizenship how can we guarantee they would put Australia first? How would we know that they would protect Australians from wrongs perpetrated against us by other nations? Menzies didn't put Australian's first and he was one of us!

Remember when Bob Hawke was first elected and he went off to tell the Yanks a thing or two? They gave him the fife an drum treatment on the Whitehouse lawn and he came back almost whistling Dixie...

By keeping Section 44 as it is, we are hopefully getting a far better protection than would otherwise be the case if our Parliament was full of dual citizens.

Sadly, nothing can protect against royal loving failures like Menzies!

Didn't Howard take us to the war in Iraq based on lies? There were no WMD's and look at the mess we helped create? Don't forget history because he loved kissing American backside?

Try putting Australia first people... We need a strong self reliant Australia, not an Australia full of puppets with other countries pulling the strings like we have now!

Op2,

Calling the Bible "rubbish" is not "speaking civilly". As an average Australian, you will have the reading age of an 8 year old - just good enough to manage the simply-worded, single sentence paragraphs in newspapers, but nothing like the Bible or most non-fiction books.

Your opinions of the Bible - or anything else - are not likely to impress anyone.

Oh, and continuing to bang on about something most people know is not going to happen, even if they think it should , doesn't say much for your intelligence either.

PPS,

Do we really need a "reliant" Australia? What, or who, do you you want us to be reliant on? Just as well most posters will recognise your problem and assume you meant 'self-reliant'. But then, perhaps you didn't.

ttbn,

The Bible is a load of rubbish...have you read it?..lol

Even though it is a bit off the topic let's show you a few bits that prove me right and you wrong!

The Bible proves the Bible wrong!...lol

Moses said

Exodus 6:2-3 And GOD SPAKE UNTO MOSES, and said unto him, I am the LORD:

And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

AND

Exodus 24:9-11 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: AND THEY SAW THE GOD OF ISRAEL: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.

And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also THEY SAW GOD, and did eat and drink.

AND

Numbers 12:6-8 And GOD said, HEAR NOW MY WORDS: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.

My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.

WITH HIM I SPEAK MOUTH TO MOUTH, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?

AND YET THE BIBLE SAYS

John 1:18 [B] NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME, [/B] the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

And JESUS said

John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. YE HAVE NEITHER HEARD HIS VOICE AT ANY TIME, NOR SEEN HIS SHAPE.

AND

John 6:46 NOT THAT ANY MAN HATH SEEN THE FATHER, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

So who do you believe JESUS or Moses? It's your choice... Feel free oh intellectual one...lol

To be continued...