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Our illegally elected politicians - Should they pay their wages and benefits back?

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Dear OP2,

I asked because I'm trying to find at least one
positive thing that the current government could
be given credit for. But it's not looking very
hopeful at the moment.

Besides, you seem to know what you're talking
about.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 4:25:23 PM
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Dear Foxy,

«I'm trying to find at least one positive thing that the current government could be given credit for. But it's not looking very hopeful at the moment.»

Do you know what's worse that a hole in your sock?

- Holes in both socks!

One cannot evaluate governments by asking what good they brought: the correct measure is, how worse it could be had they not been there and some other politicians would have taken their place.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 6:02:17 PM
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A better explanation of the flood up effect...

When taxes are decreased on companies the only people who benefit are the share holders to a small extent and the bosses through falsely awarded bonuses or benefits.

When taxes are decreased on the wealthy as well they don't really need the money so they usually just bank it. As the bosses are the rich in the first example they do the same.

The poor, low income families and middle income families have to spend any tax cuts they get just to survive or to provide their families a slightly improved lifestyle.

A perfect example was the baby bonus. When it was handed out many families, according to the media at the time, bought big screen TVs. There were three huge problems with the criticisms regarding this.

1. They were doing what they were meant to... Obviously it would have been better if they had bought a product made in Australia from small retailers but they at least spent the money in our economy!

2. They were doing exactly what rich people do... Deciding whether to spend their money or not.

3. They actually purchased an investment in the fun times that new TV provided for their families...

The criticisms were just another false attack on poorer Australians...

The problem in Australia is a lack of patriotism by the rich but you never hear it mentioned.

They want to operate in the Australian market but undermine that same market by shifting anything they can overseas. They want the benefits without the costs.

That is why overseas call centres are a disgrace... Our people need jobs and so they have to pay a little more. At least our workers spend the money in our economy benefiting all Aussies including the unpatriotic rich!

Of course the right love this stuff... Cost cutting is all their mantra and hang the cost to our nation. Furthermore the coalition aren't pro the worker... They treat all workers as though they are ranting Unionists.

Cont...
Posted by Opinionated2, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 7:13:36 PM
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Continued...

Who is more likely to spend their money overseas?... The rich! Yet the party that represents the rich especially will always claim jobs! jobs! jobs! - Did they mean overseas jobs?...lol

Someone should do a study on where the Pollies holiday this Christmas... I bet most of them won't be holidaying in Australia...lol

Who are more likely to pressure the Government for tax cuts?... The rich... They hate it that they actually are helping our country through their taxes... They only want the poorer people to help the country through their taxes and their spending!

One of the most important roles of taxation is the redistribution of income... All fine until the rich have to put in...lol

Who are more likely to spend their wealth overseas? The rich... Again they earn the money in Australia and spend it elsewhere - How unpatriotic!

Who are more likely to find a tax loophole or a tax haven overseas to hide their wealth... The rich.

Wasn't Turnbull metioned in the Panama Papers?

http://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/panama-papers-malcolm-turnbull-named-20160511-got0di.html

Turnbull's defense... the Sargeant Schultz classic "I know nothing!" Wow a Lawyer and Director who knows nothing...lol

Now we have another release of the Paradise Papers... More tax Haven information! What Aussies will be mentioned in those?

I am willing to bet that Mr and Mrs Joe Average at the end of our street won't get a mention...lol

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-16/lanis-govendir-malcolm-turnbull-and-tax-avoidance/6861606

The Labor pollies are no better in many ways... They love the benefits and the overseas travel...

So back on this topic... Everyone should be encouraging anyone they know who rely on Centrelink or who have had to pay moneys back to any Government Department to email and contact their local members.

These pollies need to pay the money back, the same as we make the poor pay any wrongful payments they get back!
Posted by Opinionated2, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 7:49:22 PM
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Another question that should be asked on this topic of pollies paying their moneys back...

How many politicians currently on their Pollies Pensions were dual citizens when in Parliament illegally and are still receiving moneys wrongfully.

The Government has an obligation to audit each and every one of them.

Getting all the money back could help pay off some of our national debt!
Posted by Opinionated2, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 9:21:27 PM
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With John Alexander now resigning from parliament we what a farce it is leaving it up to the politicians to check this for themselves. Most never even did it!

As stated earlier this Section 44 is a very smart section as it stops people with divided loyalties selling us out or being tempted to sell us out.

In the past Australian citizens have sold us out so this makes it a very important law.

See here for info why!

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=7990#247567

So It looks like the Turnbull Government is now dead and we have a major Constitutional crisis on our hands.

Look at the number of people with some doubts hanging over their heads...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-19/whos-next-in-the-dual-citizenship-mess/8819510

Then if you actually audit the past politicians who have been illegally elected and others that are now on parliamentary pensions who have now been elected, we face a great opportunity to get some money back.

Here is what Barnaby said about people who owed Centrelink money!

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/no-apology-from-barnaby-joyce-as-government-doubles-down-on-centrelink-debt-clawback-20170106-gtmzaw.html

So following in the example so proudly set by our ex deputy PM we should too shouldn't worry about demanding these wrong entitlements to be repaid.

If an unemployed person or a pensioner should have to repay moneys they received that they weren't entitled to, then the same should apply to the salaries and benefits paid to these politicians that they weren't entitled to.

Let's force politicians to abide by laws they have no apologies for enforcing on others regarding entitlements.

Send in the debt collectors!
Posted by Opinionated2, Saturday, 11 November 2017 12:04:38 PM
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