Great post Philip S - Thankyou for your input.

The politicians will all now start protecting each other when the debt to our society is clear and due.

The next argument they will bring up is that it may bankrupt some of these politicians who broke the law.

Does Centrelink ever bankrupt people? Does the Department of Finance ever bankrupt people?

SO all the boo hoo arguments for the politicians are crocodile tears justifying a wrong to our nation.

They failed every Australian by not being aware of their own Citizenship status. They made the error and now they should pay the price!

As I pointed out the Nationals have in their objects to follow Christian principles - Let's see them be Christian and do unto others - making Joyce and Nash repay Australia like they do the pensioners and unemployed of this country.

On all grounds they have no leg to stand on!

This is how corrupt these low lifers are.

I am willing to bet if any of them run for re-election and get in when it comes to pension time they will try to use the time they were illegally there to increase there pension entitlement payout.

Quote "The politicians will all now start protecting each other"

No they have been doing it for a long long time, they mostly know each others secrets.

Dear Opinionated2,

You are asking me to show you laws that are not laws?!?

The nature of laws is in their inflexibility and lack of compassion - the very concept of laws is sick, as it is based on the false assumption that we are evil in nature. Laws create an adversarial environment and depend on violence to uphold - we deserve better than that!

Now I do support the concept of guidelines: there are many guidelines in my orchestra, you do not play out of turn, in the wrong place or in the wrong pitch, too loud or too soft, you only start playing when the conductor makes the sign, you don't talk when you have a rest and it is not your turn to play, etc. etc. While the level of discipline is high, nothing is forced on us because we joined the orchestra voluntarily, we love it and are proud of it, we have a common interest and common goals, so obviously we want to do the right thing for our orchestra to succeed.

States are nothing like this because they impose themselves on everyone who happens to live in a particular, typically very large, area, whether they like it or not, whether they share any values in common or otherwise.

Now if you do choose to have laws, a key point is whether one accepts the authority of the law-giver(s). You gave the bible as example: Do you accept God as authority and that the bible was written by Him? If you do but fail some "Thou shalt not", then you consider yourself guilty - otherwise you don't (although you might still possibly feel guilty over your adultery for other reasons).

In contrast, there is no reason whatsoever to feel guilty if you break the state's laws, because they lack authority, because all you have there is a violent gang that uses laws in an attempt to impose its will on others without consent.

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Now if you shift the discussion from law to morality, then anyone who ever received Centrelink payments should return them as soon as they can, whether requested to do so or otherwise, whether any law requires it or otherwise. Also, no one, including politicians, should accept money from the state to begin with because all the state can pay them with, is tainted money which they stole or robbed from others. If politicians are elected to advocate for their constituents, then it should be up to the constituents to pay their salary.

I have no clue why you chose to provide Barnaby as an example of morality: this hypocrite spammer claims to love family, yet to forward his own agenda (the 'No' campaign) he sent his robots to harass a million families and interrupt their quality family time.

Dear Philip S.,

We shouldn't be too concerned.
Everything will work out, you'll see.

I always thought that whip-cracking, akubra hat
wearing Barnaby Joyce was "true blue".
But I was wrong.

Imagine that swearing an oath to our British-born
Head of State was not enough. According to our
Constitution.

Apparently poor Barnaby didn't previously formally
renounce his other citizenship.
It appears that
he broke an old law and now according to some, he
needs to be punished and be made an example of.
After all these colonials can't be trusted. The law is
there to protect the realm from "upstarts".
And we still are a British colony or so it seems.
But wait, there's light at
the end of this tunnel. Now,seeing as Barnaby has done
the right thing this time - renouncing what he should have
renounced the first time in, prior to being accepted into
parliament , he is now able to run for re-election
and Barnaby will be able to swear allegiance to our
British born Head of State once again.
And then everything will be "legal".
Although not sure how he'll feel about having to pay back
the money he earned during all of that time.

Maybe they can raise his salary to compensate?
I'm sure something will be worked out. After all the
PM knows the law.

cont'd ...

Here's what Barnaby Joyce feels about the Constitution
Section 44:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-30/barnaby-joyce-wants-referendum-to-change-constitution-section-44/9098594