Dear Graham, the date on this Topic is the 13th, April, 2017. It arrived in my Inmail late today the 18th April, 2017. This happens very frequently. Is there a reason for the five day delay?

Beating anyone for any reason is unacceptable. End of argument. & the idea that moslims use a little twig is laughable. I know it, you know it & they know it.

steelie: where strong religious and cultural imperatives are at play it is hard to accept that the women involved are there entirely of their own free will.

No, like all religions there is a great deal of Dogma that is impressed on these people from an early age. They believe that this is just normal for everybody so they accept their condition or burn in Hell.

PhS: Somehow people have to be shown things are wrong, what they have been taught is not true.

Now you are invoking violence from the moslim community by saying what is in the koran is not true.

tbn: Isn't Hizb ut-Tahrir a declared terrorist organisation everywhere in the Western world expect silly old Australia?

Yes, strange Ay.

Phanto: So long as you continue to blame others for your own situation you will never get out of it.

Exactly & when you do get out of that situation going into another just as bad is crazy. (which happens a lot.)

leoj: Women can be fundamentalists too and they can model and teach fundamentalism in the home.

Whooa! That's one of the reasons why moslim men beat their wives.

leoj: Catholicism and Islam are similar in a number of respects, differing in degree of course. Examples, could be the one just given, that while men are the obvious leaders and beneficiaries up-front,

Why would Catholicism get a mention ahead of Southern Baptists, SDa's, JW's & Chaismatics who are very fundamental in just who is the head of the household?

cont
ttbn: The Koran is a very nasty, violent book.

& therefore must be banned in Australia.

GY: If you believe in freedom of religion, then surely something which someone conscientiously believes, and which is not physically harmful, has a right to be practiced and should be tolerated.

The problem with that is that Islam is a Political System (unpalatable to the West) masquerading as a Religion, taking advantage of the liberty enjoyed by the West & using that against us.

GY: Don't forget that some feminists, such as Andrea Dworkin, think that sexual intercourse is assault,

Nobody takes feminist seriously really, just an annoyance.

Yutsie: Violence can be dissected in several ways.

1)Physical violence, Verbal violence, Thought violence.

Now you have introduced another aspect & some crossover. Physical violence is usually committed by the male. (but not always) Verbal Violence is equally shared. Thought Violence is usually committed by the Female. (but not always.)

AJP: And what will common law, the police, and the judiciary do to prevent crime? Or learn how to best do that?

Nothing. It keep Lawyers in Clover.

Is Mise: Well, for starters, in boxing one is allowed to hit back, in fact, it's a requirement.

Good one son.

Hi Jayb, yes there is a reason it is dated the 13th and only arrived in your inbox on the 18th, and it's called the weekend. In fact, in this case it is called, the longest weekend. But you can check the forum, as others have obviously done.

And just as smacking within a family is acceptable, but assault isn't, when it comes to children, why should it be a priori wrong for a level of symbolic violence to occur between husband and wife in a religiously sanctioned way?

Not the way that I would behave, but between consenting adults I have trouble working out why it should somehow be actionable by society.

GY Weekend.

I notice that everyone else started posting on the 13th.

GY: a level of symbolic violence to occur between husband and wife in a religiously sanctioned way?

The utube video's & other reports tend to show that what really happens is a lot more than symbolic beating with a toothpick. I do tend to agree though that there are a lot of selective double standards in play here.

What's the difference?

Wife-beating and all other assaults are imposed on the victim without their consent and with no potential benefit to them.

Both boxers consent and may benefit (prize).
Both BDSM partners consent and may benefit (erotic satisfaction).

An assault victim does not consent and receives no benefit.