Rachel06 – my carefully chosen words were designed to try and drive home a point to dickie, nothing more and totally a waste of time. Could have been said with my respect? For who, dickie, antje, wendy ? lol Some people just need to slapped in the face with the facts.

Separate the trouble makers? Mmmm, separate little cages for them all? Theres an idea ……

Foxes - I like to whistle them up and politely encourage them not to return. Do I get the idea you are fishing for a particular response?

Stick to your puppy dogs dickie. You are way out your depth with anything else.

“Cowboy's Dress Mode: Cowboy hat; spurs; Bits of straw in their dentures; Fly undone; Lassoo for snaring sheilas.”

OOhh! I’ve got goose bumps!

yabby..im not animal libber, nor do i hail from the city..it was a legitimate question..but as this thread was started by you i find it extraordinary that you have such low regard for the people who come in to post..

do you want to answer my question and give a legitimate response..

I am an ex fox shooter.

Pigfarmer..my father ran pigs and it was not our experience that pigs scream a lot of the time as you say..nor do i remember pack rape of pigs as a problem for my father..

I think you just assume that the average person other than you and Yabby are the only ones on here that are qualified to have an opinion on any way shape or form .

Is that what you think?

rachel06 - if you were a fox shooter why would you need to ask how we control them? You would know.

Your father ran pigs? Enlighten me with your experiences. How many, under what conditions?

If you have bothered to read the posts so far, you would see that most are not interested in learning anything about what really happens in farming, just pushing their fanatical and unrealistic ideas, PALE and vegetarianism.

Rachel

We will answer your question if possibly as to cull foxes.
The old timers used Saffron. It is not widely know however the old sheep farmers used this to render animals unconscious and they die painlessly. We have spoken some time ago to the manufacturers
Its a matter of chasing things up. Of course Saffron is very expensive so we need to look for a generic equal. Good Project for CRIRO. Clearly it could replace the cruel 1080.

While I am here Rachel PALE stands for People Against live Exports. We are not Animal Liberation.

We work in conjunction with RSPCA QLD on live exports and you can see our site here>
http://www.livexports.com/
We also work with AFIC to introduce farmers at grass roots levels with overseas purchasers of meats.> Here
http://www.halakindmeats.com

We do have another thread under animal welfare which I intend to re commence posting on in the next few weeks.
So if you would like to vist my thread you will be welcome.

I agree with you about the standard of speech or lack of.

If you look at the nature of people its not hard to see why animals suffer is it.


No Dickie is not PALE staff or even a member.
He just seems to be a fair minded person to me.

There are real people working to come up with improvements however the buck stops with the Government. New codes of practice are urgently required in just about every industry regarding animals.

If every person pulls together the Government have to listen.

Pleased to see another fair minded person posting.
However do not expect anything in return on this thread other than rude crude comments between two people who are totally obsessed with them selves
By the way Yabby is all hat and no cattle as we say.

And Pig Farmerr Lee Is Dr Wirths new PR lady? How proud he must be.

Howdy Rachel06

Seems Yabby and Pigfarmer are avoiding your question. You may be interested in the following item, extracted from a regional newspaper last week:

" Veterinary surgeon has seen about five dogs die at the clinic after ingesting baits in the surrounding area. She said none of the owners had seen signs to warn them of the fatal baits which target feral animals.

She said the dogs all carried symptoms associated with the 1080 baits.

The baits are poisonous to both feral and domestic animals and inflicts a cruel and violent death which can take up to four days.

"I think if they're going to put baits down they need to put signs up", she said.

While these pastoralists were subject to audit at any time, there was no position dedicated to ensuring the signs were erected.

The vet's concerns come just as the State government has allocated $160,000 towards controlling the wild dog problem.

The Environment Department has joined forces with the Department of Agriculture and Food to develop a new sausage bait" (end of quote).

And these charmers lurk amongst us and claim to be civilised! Does one need to be "qualified" to make a correct assessment of this practice? I think not!

If you were once shooting foxes, then I would say that method is far more humane than the present one.

And funny that, with their apparent glee and "banging of chests" about the use of this heinous poison, feral animals are on the increase!