I'm sure that the animal libbers mean well, but to me their posts
show a clear lack of knowledge, when it comes to the behaviour
of various other species. They are not all the same and they
are not all just like humans. What I see from the various
groups is lots of talk and playing on the internet, many of
them asking for funding, but very little results.

I think change will come from farmers themselves and from a %
of consumers who think beyond their wallets, which admittedly
is perhaps 20%, going by cage egg sales. But its a start.
I like the concept of growers markets, to bypass the major
distribution chains and their pressure for ever cheaper
commodity chains, to increase their bottom lines. Thats
what is responsible for alot of factory farming.

In the sheep industry there are also huge changes going on,
as it sinks in that the wool industry is slowly heading to
becoming a niche industry and the sheep meat industry, which
used to be a byproduct, takes over as the main income stream
for many growers. Personally I get huge satisfaction in seeing
now thousands of animals, free from all that wool, no shearers,
no blowflies, much happier and contented sheep! I'm also
proud to have been involved in that in a real sense for a number of
years, so making a difference, not just talking about it
on the internet.

The next thing to address is to bring the sheep meat processing
industry in WA up to standard, at the moment its a pretty backward
affair. So I'm involved with that too, but certainly not through
any so called animal welfare groups :)

It will happen, but it takes time, lots of pushing and shoving
etc. At the present time they have yet to show that they can
efficiently process the 3.5 million sheep slaughtered here,
whilst paying farmers a reasonable return for their product.
They still have the mentality that sheepmeat is a byproduct,
that we are lucky we don't have to shoot them in the paddock.

I really feel that these tear away welfare groups just prey on peoples emotions. I think they count on people to have little idea of the big picture. Lets face it, they wouldn’t get much support otherwise.

The well informed person that stands up for what they believe in is not what I call an animal libber. It’s the kind that get involved out of some need for control that worry me. They usually start their sentences with ‘ Iam the head of, or I am the CEO of, or I am the founder of….) Just full of their own self importance, the causes they claim to be fighting for are just a vehicle. The other is the follower, the kind that thinks people will like them, karma will be kind to them, if they protest against this or that.

That’s why I get so protective. When ‘doubtful’ organisations decide they will hitch a ride on something that is popular at the time, say free range, trying to give themselves credibility. They wont for one second acknowledge, or care, about the harm they may cause in the process, just feeding their own egos.

If I didn’t feel so passionately about the way I farm my animals and care for their welfare, I would have reverted this place to intensive farming by now. That’s all the good these do gooders do. You certainly wouldnt put up with all their crap for the money! Then I could hide behind the APL and the Codes

I think that there are all sorts of people with all sorts of
motivations out there. Some want control, some perhaps are simply
searching for a cause to occupy themselves with. Alot seem
to me to be people wearing their hearts on their sleeves, but not
really having an in depth understanding of what they are on about.

At the end of the day, in my experience, reason will prevail.
So if people make claims and their information is wrong or years
old, eventually that will come to the surface.

I think that the best that you can do is focus on your animals and
on your customers and ways to make your little supply chain work,
if possible with other pig farmers who want to join you.

Yes, lots of thing about to happen with free range farming and I have been working on that (hence all the time near the computer)

A big obstacle for free range farmers is the marketing side but soon there will be an option for them to join forces with other like minded farmers all under the same standard and market their product under one name with assistance from the administrating body. Its just about to be launched and I believe it will be just what consumers are looking for.

Things happen for a reason. I was brought into the forum without my knowledge, the time I have spent here has taught me plenty about animal welfare groups. It has also caused a chain reaction that has proved to be priceless!

Yabby

Would have thought, answer to that Question might be Obvious, even to you.

Nobody wants to get involved with this women who discredits organisations.

Nobody does business like that.

This person wants some attention.

See what we can do.

Dangerous and self destructive. Nil concern for Fellow Farmers or Free Range.

The Comments are tacky, Cheap and Common Just Like Your discusting Remarks about Taryn.

No profeshional or even a lady! would stoop so low.

We already estasblished your no gentleman.

People find their own levels and you too have found yours.

You have brought such shame to your industries.

If she really thinks the RSPCA are happy with her she should think again.

Its important that the public know that Animal Libbers and Animals Australia refused! to support her.

She should! have been supported.

All! Free Range Farmers should be supported.

She had every! right to be angry. Just dont shoot the messanger.ah Yabby , yup!


Authority was given

Otherwise why did she contact the office and send it? Ah Yabby? Yup!

No you wouldnt know would you?

As for any information being old Yabby, what about the AFIC media release put out working in conjuction against live exports. Thats not! old. Ah?

You two have said a lot of things. This woman pig farmer has said that the organisation was not working with other animal welfare organisations

All you both had to do, and I am sure! you did was click on to
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=hkm&btnG=Google+Search&meta=cr%3DcountryAU
or here
http://www.halakindmeats.com/

I note you have not said one word about the MOU with AFIC

Thats clear proof that these people work also with the Islamic Leaders and others in Australia and overseas to promote Free Range Farms.

Would you like me to invite them to this forum to set a few things straight?
After all you are both defaming them! as well working with the organisation.

Who better To understand Halal Meats and Live Exports Yabby.
May I ask.?

Oh Of course I forgot Yabby And A women Pig Farmer.

See you there.

?? What are you raving about?

I think you have jumped into the wrong forum. No one here is talking about you or the RSPCA or Muslims. Just hypocritical animal libbers. [Deleted for flaming.]