Poirot, "So"

The 'So' is as I have explained to you previously but you have not comprehended,

"Correlation does not imply causation"

Here, again,
http://www.fastcodesign.com/3030529/infographic-of-the-day/hilarious-graphs-prove-that-correlation-isnt-causation

It anything matters it is the number of unlicensed persons with a firearm in the possession (again illegally of course) and the number and sources of illegal firearms.

Regarding the last mentioned, sources of illegal firearms, there is consistent, hard evidence from police statistics in Australia that thefts from legal owners is miniscule. In some jurisdictions often none annually. That shoots down your implied source of illegal guns.

Where violence is concerned and this includes from weapons as well as guns why are you going to considerable pains to ignore the elephant in the (US) room, which is social problems? If you want to talk about gun crime, that is majorly black on black involving gangs and drugs. Second tier, Hispanic involving gangs and drugs.

General information: Number 3 Buckshot has 18, 6.4 mm (.25 inch) pellets in each cartridge, thus 36 lethal projectiles can be fired from a double shotgun in less than 1/10 of a second, a three barrel gun can let 54 projectiles go in about 1/2 a second.
If the gun is cylinder bored and the softest (pure lead) shot is used then the pattern is going to be wide spread and hit numerous targets in a crowded room.

A double hammerless ejector shotgun can be reloaded in about 2 seconds by the medium skilled, experts can do better.

Otb,

What "implied source of illegal guns"?

I haven't discussed that on this thread.

I haven't discussed the firearm situation at all pertaining to Australia on this thread.

My commentary has mainly focused on the availability of "legal" firearms in the US.

Yes, all very impressive, Is Mise.

Is that supposed to prove that the US doesn't have a problem with firearm availability?

My point to SM about the multiple casualties and deaths from Mateen's attack was that if he had only managed to kill and injure one or a few people, SM probably wouldn't have even heard the news, let alone start shrieking about ISIS.

The overwhelming problem in the US is from single firearm murders - they are the ones which keep the mortality rate ticking over in the 20's week after week.

Poirot, 'My commentary has mainly focused on the availability of "legal" firearms in the US'

Why the inverted commas? Or is that to agree with 'gun control' activists (most financed by the Soros outfit apparently) who idiotically declare that 'all guns start legal'. Irrelevant, utter BS.

You would be very foolish indeed to claim that it was legal as in legally purchased and owned firearms that are implicated, you'd go further to say 'that cause', firearm offences.

Poirot, "The overwhelming problem in the US is from single firearm murders - they are the ones which keep the mortality rate ticking over in the 20's week after week"

The population is around 320 million. Next, would you care to prove that those murders 'in the 20's week(ly)' wouldn't occur if there were no firearms in the US? Logically one would think that anyone who has made that awful decision to kill would not be put off by the unavailability of a particular weapon, but would simply choose another method.

That happened with suicide in Australia, where the already highly preferred rope added some more where firearms were less accessible. The total stayed the same. It is counselling and other initiatives that lessened the incidence of suicide.

'Gun control' is not aimed at deterring and collaring offenders. It is NOT about evidence-based laws and effective regulation. It is just an obsession with banning ordinary respectable, law-abiding, licensed citizens from owning legal firearms and the State stealing back their legally acquired and legally used possessions from them

//the State stealing back their legally acquired and legally used possessions from them//

If the State takes their possessions legally, it's not stealing. It's only theft when the State unlawfully takes possessions from people. The State taking possession of illegal weapons is no more theft than it taking possession of illegal drugs.