Illicit drugs were illegal from the outset.

Where 'gun control' is invoked, assets already approved by the State, purchased with prior State approval and with the State's currency and being used for legal purposes is retrospectively banned and confiscated. Morally that is stealing.

It is interesting your comparison is with illicit drugs. Because gun crime in the US and here too is almost invariably associated with drugs and gangs. In the US most gun crime (and one would imagine other serious violence) is associated with gangs fighting over drug territory and drug sales and theft.

In fairness to Shadow Minister who originated the OP and others who are directing their questions to it, I will leave it at that because 'gun control' is unfairly hijacking the thread.

P,

I never realised that you were homophobic.

I have a gay friend that is a devout Christian, is he also mistaken?

Devout does not mean what you think it does.

"Is Muse" you said "and all that I'm saying is that ths same number of murders and woundings could have been achieved with a weapon (DB shotgun) that is readily available in Australia, and on the lowest category of licence (A)."

Please provide some evidence to that "fact" of yours!
Or is it just another one of your attempts to mitigate the impact of these extremely dangerous weapons in society. I think so.

I see your fellow licensed shooter (I assume you are licensed) Ian Turnbull got 35 years for the cold blooded murder of Environment Office Glen Turner

"He (Turnbull) had told the jury earlier in the trial that calmness came over him after he fired the first of three shots to hit Mr Turner, over a period of at least 20 minutes, at the side of a road."
So we can assume Turnbull was a normal gunnie, just defending his property, as gunnies claim they have a right to do, from unwanted intrusion by government and others?

Fortunately given his age the next person Turnbull meets on the out side should be fellow licensed gunnie Omar Mateen. they will get together in hell!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-23/moree-shooting-ian-turnbull-sentenced-over-murder/7535808

Poirot,
Heres another angle.

Did you know officers entered the nightclub and had the suspect trapped in the bathroom in the opening minutes of the shooting but we’re told to stand down and wait for SWAT?

http://investmentwatchblog.com/orlando-shooter-did-you-know-this/

If the police aren't going to act to protect people then is it not reasonable that people act to protect themselves?

Toni,
Its not ridiculous.
Do you think I'd let you have another Aaron Russo moment so easily?
Heres an article in the Guardian about the FBI entrapment tactics and fake terror plots.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/16/fbi-entrapment-fake-terror-plots

And another...
http://www.brandonturbeville.com/2016/06/5-reasons-to-question-official-story-of.html

Here's one that mentions G4S
http://digwithin.net/2016/06/13/orlando_g4s/

When you know their MO you can pretty much tell if something smells off just from the first whiff.
Like I said earlier, I haven't really looked too much into this event as my internet is slow atm.

Theres 3 arguments to this story.
First is that Omar committed the attack and it happened more or less as we're told.
The second is that the FBI deliberately allowed the attack to occur.
The third, the whole thing was staged.

I don't know what the answer is, but it doesn't hurt to be open-minded and there are genuine red flags here.

If the reports of more than one shooter are accurate then on face value I'd lean towards the idea that Omar Mateen might've been a patsy that just copped a bullet in the head and the blame for an operation instigated by others, but that's just my 2 cents.
They may have been sending a kind of message to his father.
It's hard to know what the ex-wife's angle is.

"Illicit drugs were illegal from the outset."

Beach, what an ill-informed claim, heroin, opium, cocaine and marijuana to name four drugs that were at one time legal in both the US and Australia. So was lead in paints and petrol, until we realised how dangerous these thing are. Maybe we should realise the same about guns.

otb,

My "20's weekly" was a mistake..(but I had to wait 13 hours to correct it with post limits)

It's actually an average of around 27 a "day".

No I don't think it would be as high if other methods were used - many of the single shooting deaths are from people momentarily losing their temper and having a gun nearby - which only requires a click of the finger to discharge a lethal projectile.

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SM,

You're really quite a light-weight debater aren't you.

You spend the entire thread assuring us Mateen was a devotee of ISIS, undertook his rampage representing ISIS, etc.

You've already said that ISIS "is not a big supporter of gay rights"...intimating that right there is your evidence of why Mateen chose the gay bar.

When it's pointed out that Mateen was likely a gay man indulging in a gay lifestyle, you then try to make out that is compatible with his devotion to ISIS.

And not only that - your response to my pointing that out is to say to me: "I never realised that you were homophobic."

Oh and: "I have a gay friend that is a devout Christian, is he also mistaken?"

Lol! - here we are talking about ISIS, a fundamentalist vicious offshoot of Islam. You reckon Mateen carried out the atrocity on its behalf, with a gay bar as the chosen target.....and now you're telling me that his being gay would be hunky dory with the movement you say he represents.

Try again, SM....