Poirot,

"If semi-automatic weapons were not so readily available in the US - even to those on a terrorism watch list - then the scale of this tragedy could have been averted...that's all I'm saying."

and all that I'm saying is that ths same number of murders and woundings could have been achieved with a weapon (DB shotgun) that is readily available in Australia, and on the lowest category of licence (A).

Just remember that at Port Arthur no one attacked the murderer whilst he was changing magazines and there is no reason to think that an untrained individual would respond effectively against a person armed with a shotgun.

@Poirot, Thursday, 23 June 2016 3:03:49 PM

How could you be naive? Is Mise is a skilled competitor and a professionally trained armourer. He has been trying you expert advice. But you have that continuous loop of 'gun control' misinformation running in your head that does not allow you to even register what he is saying.

What you should do for your own education and fun, is to contact a SSAA club and take part in one of their half-day, women only, adventure shoots at the local range. They supply everything. There are skilled trainers. It is cheap and easy to do. It is very social. Or you and your son go to a family oriented one. Just ring and find out.

//You're having a good time,eh?

NOt really Poirot//

Then why are you here? Serious question: if you don't enjoy the time you spend on here, wouldn't it make more sense to devote it to something you do enjoy?

otb,

"How could you be naive? Is Mise is a skilled competitor and a professionally trained armourer. He has been trying you expert advice. But you have that continuous loop of 'gun control' misinformation running in your head that does not allow you to even register what he is saying"

So?

That doesn't change anything in connection with the insane gun culture of the US and the average of around 27 people murdered each day by firearms.

How many people murdered by firearm in the US since or Orlando?

I'd hazard a guess at around 200.

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SM,

"There is no denying that Mateen was a devout Muslim ..."

Oh yes, indeedy!

Devout Muslims are known to frequent gay night clubs and undertake homosexual liaisons at shady hotels.

You do understand the meaning of "devout" don't you?

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/devout

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runner,

"NOt really Poirot just amazed that the likes of you have certainly no clue as you are so bound by your narrative. Not surprising that you remain so ignorantly blind."

Lol!....

I'm sorry but I seem to have missed any point or points that you have made while you've been busy trolling about on this thread.

Is there any underlying reasoning behind your constant venom spits?

I mean you never offer any real analysis in your run-by daubings. You just drop in, leave a short but odious post - and take off...the equivalent of knocking on someone's door and running.

P,

I do know the definition of devout, but apparently you don't.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/devout

Full Definition of devout
1 devoted to religion or to religious duties or exercises
2 expressing devotion or piety
3a devoted to a pursuit, belief, or mode of behavior : serious, earnest
b warmly sincere

Tell me where he does not comply.

Or do you think that one cannot be gay and Muslim?

SM,

Now you're tying yoursef in knots.

Remember when you posted this:

"it might seem trite! But ISIS is not a big supporter of gay rights...."
(page 2 of this thread)

You can't have it both ways...either Mateen was a "devout" Muslim and devotee of ISIS or he was a practicing gay man who indulged in liaisons at shady hotels with men he picked up in gay bars.

He can't be both.

You reckon he was a devout ISIS operative - and now you are saying that is compatible with a gay lifestyle.