Actually Antje, the real problem was your jumping to conclusions.
"Not so long ago" is a matter of opinion. In cultural terms, for
societies to change, its nothing. I was in my 20s not so long ago.

You were free to ask me about time, I would have specified it.
The thing is, we Aussies are slowly changing, but so is the Middle
East. Just because they don't do everything just when we do it,
does not mean that change is not happening there.

The 60 minutes clips are old footage. Some of those are from
years ago, using old footage, even then. Thats why the industry
is now putting together a website, to update the public. It comes
after my request, because of what has happened on here.

I am the first to promote change in the meat industry in Australia,
to increase slaughter capacity here. But Australia is not
interested it seems. Not even in drought. Ok fine, West Aussie
farmers will continue to have to make a living. We'll have
to keep improving live exports, given no alternatives. The bright
side is that we are leaders in terms of bringing about change
in the Middle East, so animals from many places benefit.

I heard an interesting talk from a vet this morning, discussing
vet nurses. He said that some just can't do it, they fall into a
heap when an animal needs putting down. He suggested that they
needed to be like farmers, have a love of animals, but also a
certain detachment, to see things as they are. How very true.

Oh come on Yabby Dont Make it Worse for yourself.
:" Not So long Ago"
Like thirty years- Yeh sure. You gambled and lost.
You were living in the hope that the public wouldnt have a clue and by the look of it me either.
Well guess What You got Caught. Take it like a man.

Yabby You Naughty Little boy- And they took your recomendation on making a web site did they? Did you happen to tell them about this lttle slip up? oooops. Oh Yabby you are but amusing some times.

I know this is a game to you coming on the forum and giving what you call the city slicker girls a touch up.

I actually rather enjoy your capers and moves.

You Yabby have more moves than a swiss watch Yabby .

You are also helping to educate the public by keeping the Animal Welfare threads going.[ So Thanks]

Personally I find you a bit of fun wondering what the old Yabby will get up to next.

Your like an old fox enjoying the game of stirring the girls or greengrass on heartbeat.
I look forward to the new web site. I think thats fantasic.

When do you expect it to be ready?

I only ever jump in when you post something that misinforms the public and you know it.

You have said over and over again that you are the biggest suporter of opening more abattoirs and ' bringing In workers for double and tripple Shifts"

I have actually read some of your letters to newspapers pushing for plants to open and farmers to even be share holders.

I just wish you would post some of those up here because tell you what Yabby they are very Good.

Oh but Of course its all Changed in a year. Well if you can change the attiutudes of many in the middle east yabs you had best let John howard know.
Oh Yabby.

So stop the porkies
woops!

The technology is there to check on the locations of people posting on websites and, therefore, put a stop to false and fraudulent names.

I asked around and a friend told me that a couple of years ago he wrote some posts on a blogsite in USA and he had his posts deleted. He went back under a different name and then was banned completely- within minutes.
They had set up some kind of block. So there is software to track where a person is sending from.

Perhaps you can get some technical advice, Graham- it will solve all problems and there will not even be a need for compulsory fees or real names.

RObert, good suggestions about discussing the issue without mentioning PALE.

Celivia, you can block IPs but there are some technical issues with that - you can't be sure that the IP is unique to the person you are trying to block, and the same person may have a number of IPs - so it's not foolproof. Besides, my concern wasn't with being able to ban people, but whether people could be encouraged to behave properly.

Robert

I am posting as a person. I didnt ask to be put up as PALE- and there is nothing wrong with PALES reputation either as you brought that up.

I know the Ministers office are interested in some things put up by PALE and speaking out of School I know John Howard office has shown interest and requested more information.

What comes to my attention are your questions.

In answer to some of them I am putting out a web site listing all Free Range Farms and where to purchase products. It is a big job but here is a sample.
http://www.livexports.com/freerangefarmerssupportgroup/

I am waiting for people to start asking questions from the information I have already posted.


-How do You know how much attention to pay to a Free Range Label?-
Do you mean if you can trust that the information is correct-?

Or that you understand the difference between free Range and intensive Farming.?

As I cant write enough words here myself I will answer that question by putting up this again

http://www.hsi.org.au/news_library_events/press_releases/N394_humane_choice.htm

After you have read that Robert If you look here you will see the Humane Society supporting the project.

http://www.halakindmeats.com/

It is the only program with a good alternative to faze live animals exports.

Its working on all angles of Animal Welfare putting live animal importer together with Aussie Farmers directing those animals to Free Range Creek fed and following through to ensure a humane slaughter and accredited free range labelling.


Yabbys is right about the labour shortage and there are some good plans however support is vital.
The Good News is there are plenty of overseas investors interested to work together with Aussie Farmers at Grass Roots Level.

Nothing can Happen without funds and they will put them in if the Government are more user friendy.

I encourage you to look at the material and welcome your questions
You might also find this report interesting
http://www.livexports.com/davidwoodsreport.html

Please take a moment to look at this Robert. A great way to teach Children and Adults spending quality family time
http://www.themeatrix.com/

Antje Struthmann

I have a question for you anje ...

Explain creek fed for us. Interesting to hear how you would apply that to pig farming too.

btw, isnt it true that anyone of us can change our id to whatever we want, whenever we want? I recently changed mine, no big hassle antje. Delete your old one, start a new one. All legit.